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2017-09-29 15:46
Didi

Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 245
Event id #2636 : Crack Intro Music Competition 2017

After the geat success in 2013, the time has come for another Crack Intro Music Competition!

Several people have asked for it and finally it happens.

This time I have a skilled co-organizer with Jammer.

Competition runs from September 29, 2017, until October 29, 2017. So you have a full month to deliver your creations.

Please use this thread for questions, discussion and everything else concerning this competition.

THE RULES (same as in 2013, worked very well):
- max. playtime 1:00 min. (PAL playing speed), then repeat or fade.
- max. size: $1000 bytes (preferably located in memory at $1000-$2000)
- single speed only
- no SID model preference (should sound good on all SID models)
- must be handed in as executable format .sid or .prg (might be embedded in .t64 or .d64)
- no graphics or even intro-like presentation is allowed to be included.
- Productions using the music might be released after the voting deadline. The voting should be focused on the music itself.
- the participating musics may not have been released or used in a public production before.
- multiple entries per musician allowed.

Deadline for entry submission is October 29, 2017 at 23:59:59 (11:59:59 pm).
Voting closes one week later at November 6, 2017 at 23:59:59 (11:59:59 pm).
Voting platform is CSDb (with all disadvantages it may have), therefore entries have to be posted here.
Entries will be ranked by weighted average of CSDb votes. Entries with the same weighted average are ranked by their percentages of 10s, 9s, etc.

No prices to win, just the fame. May the best creation win!
2017-09-29 23:22
Scarzix

Registered: Aug 2010
Posts: 133
I think the 1:00 minute is just too little for small tunes unless you want a lot of tiny loops.

1:10-20 would fit better with most speeds and sequences, at least for my own small intro tunes.
2017-09-29 23:34
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 8208
also a crack intro tune must loop, wtf fade...
2017-09-29 23:40
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 670
Quoting Scarzix
I think the 1:00 minute is just too little for small tunes unless you want a lot of tiny loops.

1:10-20 would fit better with most speeds and sequences, at least for my own small intro tunes.


Over 80 tunes complied miraculously to that rule in 2013 :P It's a good exercise in being compact and to the point ;) You realize how exemplary crack tune works - most memorable theme is right at the start and later you just pour water. So... pour a little less of that water from your hefty jug, sir :D You're obviously allowed to make 2 subtunes - #1 under 1 minute and #2 being full length theme of your dreams (both have to fit in 4k, though).



Quoting Groepaz
also a crack intro tune must loop, wtf fade...


Actually, you're right about that ;) I don't remember any entry from 2013 that didn't loop as a matter of fact.
2017-09-29 23:55
Scarzix

Registered: Aug 2010
Posts: 133
I don't see the point of having length restrictions. The bytes is totally understandable if it should within a crack intro. But the length limitation doesn't make sense to me and I highly doubt that people thought about length of a tune back then (in the 80's when cracks were actually important)
2017-09-30 00:15
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 670
Cracking the Old Way that's more or less how you stick to the compo rules :)
2017-09-30 03:23
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 670
It's ridiculous but I have to add that rule:

- tune that covers someone else's composition, cannot be a procedural conversion of any kind - put some effort into process FFS

Case study here:
Poop Nukem 3D
2017-09-30 11:56
TheRyk

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 407
Cool that you do this compo.
Not gonna take part, but probably rather leave this to real musicians.
Not so happy about 1:00 limit, i.e. what Scarzix sez.
2017-09-30 12:12
Linus

Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 568
Really great you guys are organizing another Crack Intro Music competition! Awesome.

I am struggling with this rule, tho:

- no SID model preference (should sound good on all SID models)

May I ask what the point is?

First of all most of the classic crack intro tunes from back in the days sound like shit on a 8580, so it's not a way to keep things "real" - heavy differences have always been there.

Also, I don't see a proper scientific, ahem, way to judge whether a tune complies to that rule or not. An 8580 tune that sounds muffled on the old chip can be excused by the author's soft spot for lo-fi glitch, e.g. I am exaggerating here, obviously, but I hope you get my drift. Who judges what's "good" and what's not? Oh, yeah, the organizers, sure - but how can a participant possibly know what's in the realm of acceptable according to the organizer's taste? It's a very vague, nebulous rule one could easily do without imho.

That being said, I am looking forward to an ass kicking compo! Thanks, guys!
2017-09-30 13:44
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 670
Sascha, I'm more than sure your great experience will allow you to tell tune sounding lofi on 6581 from the broken one ;) Same for the other way round - 6581 tune sounding thin on new one is rather common and acceptable but 6581 bassline using $00 cutoff, which in most cases is virtually inaudible on 8580, is not that nice.
2017-09-30 15:23
Linus

Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 568
What about switching filtertypes? Produces clicks on the old fella, but does that automatically result in a disqualification? Where to draw the line?
2017-09-30 15:51
uctumi

Registered: Jun 2015
Posts: 1
Will the voting be anonymous? How will the voting method be?
2017-09-30 15:59
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 670
"Voting platform is CSDb (with all disadvantages it may have), therefore entries have to be posted here.
Entries will be ranked by weighted average of CSDb votes. Entries with the same weighted average are ranked by their percentages of 10s, 9s, etc."

You just vote like for regular csdb releases :)
2017-09-30 16:47
spider-j

Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 127
What Scarzix said. Please make it at least +10 seconds!
For a real intro tune small size is what matters anyway.
2017-09-30 16:48
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 8208
or cut the size in half and drop the length limit :)
2017-09-30 16:55
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 670
Put down your weapon, you have 20 seconds to comply.

If tune cannot deliver anything interesting below 1 minute, it's going to suck as crack music anyway. It's that simple ;)
2017-09-30 18:09
Linus

Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 568
So what about filtertype switching then? :) Serious question.
2017-09-30 18:28
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 670
If it clicks that everyone's ears bleed from it, it's bugged most probably. Still, you know I'm not as sensitive to clicking as Søren is.

Can we proceed to serious issues? Rules are set in stone - they worked last time, they're going to work this time as well. I can promise I won't make a fuss about that damn 1:01 and will prevent Didi from being nazi about it. Period. Now, gimme a break.
2017-09-30 18:50
Linus

Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 568
Ok, but what about ...

:)
2017-09-30 19:50
Compyx

Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 271
Can I cheat with the timer, having the 'second' update each 70 frames or so?
2017-09-30 21:03
lft

Registered: Jul 2007
Posts: 302
There's no on-screen timer, because graphics are not allowed. Right?
2017-09-30 21:14
lft

Registered: Jul 2007
Posts: 302
Quoting Linus

- no SID model preference (should sound good on all SID models)
...
I don't see a proper scientific, ahem, way to judge whether a tune complies to that rule or not.


Entries could be disqualified if they explicitly state the preferred SID model somewhere.

We can also adapt the judging process, in the spirit of the rule, like this: We all randomise the SID model before listening to each tune. Half the people will judge it based on how it sounds on 6581, half based on how it sounds on 8580. If it sounds great on both, the average score will be higher.
2017-09-30 21:25
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 8208
or just randomize the votes alltogether :)
2017-09-30 21:26
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 670
Jeez. It's not about SID flag. It's about not sounding like muffled diarrhea on 6581 (and believe - all regular MSL stuff, for example, would sound like this on 6581). Don't worry, LFT, you have least to fear in this respect ;) In practice it's mostly about taking more classical approach where to put filter and where not to. Tune DOESN'T have to sound identical on both chips.
2017-09-30 21:38
Linus

Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 568
Yeah, but whhhhyyyyyy?! :) I don't wanna touch that old fella :)
2017-09-30 21:58
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 8208
thats what she said
2017-09-30 22:11
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 670
Quoting Groepaz
thats what she said


2017-10-01 06:08
Stinsen

Registered: Feb 2012
Posts: 36
This thread is gold, you guys are cracking me up (no pun intended). :D
2017-10-01 11:44
TheRyk

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 407
Quote:
I can promise I won't make a fuss about that damn 1:01 and will prevent Didi from being nazi about it.

ROFL xD
2017-10-01 15:34
Xiny6581

Registered: Feb 2004
Posts: 50
Awesome... :) Will do my magic 6581+8580 and attend with magic too ;D
2017-10-01 22:09
Scarzix

Registered: Aug 2010
Posts: 133
So SID detection in player is the way to go - aka we now know that composers with that option will be able to make the best results.

Think I might go the oppersite way: Do I get + points for NOT using filters then? :-)
2017-10-01 22:13
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 670
People vote, they'll decide ;)
2017-10-02 23:33
celticdesign

Registered: Oct 2005
Posts: 106
Mehhh, haven't ckecked all posts here but do we have a tolerance of 1 or 2 seconds? And must the loop be from the beginning or can i loop just the last bars of that damn longplay track?!?
2017-10-02 23:41
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 670
Two entries from Scarzix are about 1:01.5 playtime. I'd personally pass them as those are great tunes. I hope Didi agrees with me. Still, try not to push it, really ;)
2017-10-02 23:46
Scarzix

Registered: Aug 2010
Posts: 133
Feel free to remove my entries if I violate the restrictions too much. I use speed 02 (aka 3 frames) and the sequence lengths gives me that time. It's not "on purpose" to be against the limitations, but thats what 50fps at speed 02 gives me ... alternatively, I have to make them with CIA timers and then they probably wont fit any crack intro... :-/

Besides that, they are smaller than the max size in bytes and works on both SIDs :-)
2017-10-02 23:51
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 670
Sometimes it's about compromises in composition to meet the requirements - phrase played once not twice etc. No, I don't really want to disqualify decent stuff, especially it's on the verge ;)

Ok, official compromise is that we will turn a blind eye for 2 seconds overtime as it helps sometimes with maintaining regular structure, looping etc. But cross that and scissors go straight for your dicks :D
2017-10-03 00:09
Didi

Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 245
We agreed to have a tolerance of max. 2 seconds, but that's all. Please do not probe this limit too hard.
2017-10-03 00:27
Scarzix

Registered: Aug 2010
Posts: 133
\o/ !!!
2017-10-03 20:08
Mekong

Registered: Mar 2013
Posts: 6
Have to agree with what other guys said, the only constraint in such a compo should be filesize. That's how I've always picked tunes for use in my releases. If one is skilled enough to cram in a solo that shows up after 2 minutes, the better. Loop/fade should not be a demand either, sometimes you may want the intro to hit and run. It sure is cool that in 2013 people complied with these rules, but some of the most legendary introtunes that have actually been used by crackers, from eg. Hubbard or Laxity, wouldn't have qualified here, which is silly.
2017-10-03 20:48
DKT

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 45
IMO there is no (should not be) tech difference between "Crack Intro Music" or "Any other Music", just taste/mood matters ;)
For a good music I will spend additional bytes in intro and try to find space for it in mem no matter what. "Intro music" idea without any restrictions should give enough info "how it should look like for me".
2017-10-03 21:07
DKT

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 45
And why "- single speed only" !? /o\
2017-10-03 21:26
Didi

Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 245
Rules are set for this compo. Any discussion may influence upcoming compos, but not the running one.

At least european cracking groups always tried to keep their cracks as short as possible. That's why the size of the intro also mattered and they tried to make it cool but short as well. There are lots of small intromusics far below the limit of this compo.

Single speed: Usually crack intros do hot have rastertime to waste therefore use single speed music.

Good sounding on both SID models is a challenge for the composers, accept it or leave it. Some demos have dedicated music for both SID models but there is no space for this in a tiny little intro.
2017-10-04 19:12
Richard

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 553
Submitted my first entry 'RasterTime'. Made in Cheesecutter V2.8, and hopefully it should fit to the music compo rules :)

Short 'n sweet. I hope :)
2017-10-04 23:20
Magnar

Registered: Aug 2009
Posts: 55
- no graphics or even intro-like presentation is allowed to be included.

This is a silly rule! Nobody obeys it anyway.

Mermaid is animating text from her musicplayer on the screen like a intro-like presentation. Jammer is using graphical font to make his text look better, not using c64 font. People are using PSID64 with flashing color lines in a intro-like presentation...

And what the heck, according the rules it should be blank/black screens from everyone?!?!??!

Please take this rule away.
2017-10-05 07:26
lft

Registered: Jul 2007
Posts: 302
Hmm, indeed "blank screen" would have been a less ambiguous rule. Or "static text only, using the ROM font". Or SID format. Those are some ideas for next year's compo.

On the topic of length limit vs. just a filesize limit, I think that a "tiny music compo" (with a blank screen) would be fun. But that would be a coder's compo, or possibly a toolchain compo. I think that the 1-minute limit is a good challenge for musicians, and clearly a lot of good stuff is coming out of it.

I actually think it's more interesting to have a strict 1:00 limit (because it is so frustratingly close to 1:01.29, which is 3*8 bars in tempo 4). It helps us to break free from familiar molds.

But, well, maybe we need two compos for looping tunes. A 1-minute compo, and a filesize compo. And then maybe it is the latter that should be called a "crack intro music" compo.
2017-10-05 09:17
Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 837
Quoting lft
it's more interesting to have a strict 1:00 limit (because it is so frustratingly close to 1:01.29, which is 3*8 bars in tempo 4). It helps us to break free from familiar molds.
What about tunes with different track lengths, then? Say, voice 1 looping at 1:00 sharp, voice 2 a bit before that, and voice 3 again a bit earlier? Technically it loops at 1:00, but the whole tune can go into interesting variations as it goes on. Stuff like this has been done, but not often, and possibly not to perfection. :)
2017-10-05 09:31
Mermaid

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 322
Quote: - no graphics or even intro-like presentation is allowed to be included.

This is a silly rule! Nobody obeys it anyway.

Mermaid is animating text from her musicplayer on the screen like a intro-like presentation. Jammer is using graphical font to make his text look better, not using c64 font. People are using PSID64 with flashing color lines in a intro-like presentation...

And what the heck, according the rules it should be blank/black screens from everyone?!?!??!

Please take this rule away.


I've now had people complaining to me about my tune because "no demo effects allowed!"

I really didn't see that one coming, didn't think anyone considered displaying the code and data onscreen to show the memory usage an "intro-like presentation" - to me it's more like using raster bars to show the raster time usage.

So wait, does this mean that in my next demo I can show the music code on the screen for a bit and it will shut up all those who complain about my demos having no effects...?
2017-10-05 09:56
Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 837
It's a silly interpretation of that rule.

And personally i think that visual presentation has little to no effect on voting outcome. Especially if it's not an actual demo effect or anything obviously going for visual impact.
2017-10-05 09:57
spider-j

Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 127
Quote: - no graphics or even intro-like presentation is allowed to be included.

This is a silly rule! Nobody obeys it anyway.

Mermaid is animating text from her musicplayer on the screen like a intro-like presentation. Jammer is using graphical font to make his text look better, not using c64 font. People are using PSID64 with flashing color lines in a intro-like presentation...

And what the heck, according the rules it should be blank/black screens from everyone?!?!??!

Please take this rule away.


Me using psid64 instead of my own (dis-)player (with my spider-sprite and song title scrolling) in this compo is *because* of that rule.
2017-10-05 10:21
Perplex

Registered: Feb 2009
Posts: 197
Quoting Mermaid
So wait, does this mean that in my next demo I can show the music code on the screen for a bit and it will shut up all those who complain about my demos having no effects...?


Certain people will always find something to complain about, don't you worry.
2017-10-05 11:58
Scarzix

Registered: Aug 2010
Posts: 133
Suggestion for next Crack intro compo.
Let the origanizers produce 1 or more "templates" for crack intros. Where the logo is the name of the compo and the scroll text contains the song title, composer and song details.

Then let the composers choose which of the templates to compose for and then we have a lot of similar "intros" where we can see how the music feels with that particular intro.

... or as suggested, we could also just go "black" but that makes some really boring screenshots for CSDB.dk :-)

Also if we specify it should sound good on 6581, please lets us agree on WHICH REVISION we are talking about. :-)

I still love the idea of this compo, so dont get me wrong here.

I might even have more tunes up my sleves, if people start to vote on tunes.
2017-10-05 12:31
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 8208
this compo clearly needs more rules, its not silly enough yet =)
2017-10-05 18:47
Linus

Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 568
Quote: this compo clearly needs more rules, its not silly enough yet =)

Haha!

You're an ass, but we tend to agree a lot ;) Damn, what does that say about me?
2017-10-05 21:42
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 670
Quoting Linus
You're an ass, but we tend to agree a lot ;) Damn, what does that say about me?


Sascha, you're an ass.
2017-10-05 22:05
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 8208
Linus: sing along loud and proud!
2017-10-08 17:02
wertstahl

Registered: Apr 2012
Posts: 13
I demand, the winner must also make (or produce) an outstanding cracktro.
2017-10-09 11:24
Raf

Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 328
Rules drama? Obey and submit! :)



oh btw I'm pleased to join the compo ;)

www.c64power.com
2017-10-10 13:21
Raf

Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 328
Regarding rules how are you going to resolve issue in regard of fame/namevoting/number of votes?

case:
Drax's tune has been uploaded less than 24h ago and he got 12 votes, my tune - some 26h ago and only 2? ;)

www.c64power.com
2017-10-10 15:32
TheRyk

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 407
Drax' tune wipes the floor with all other releases anyway (though there are a lot of good and even quite a bunch excellent tunes among them), tune would not have scored much differently anonymously imho, no matter what you do about voting system ;)
2017-10-10 15:46
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 670
With all respect to maestro Drax, I beg to differ ;) I enjoyed his 2013 cracks more and I hope he goes at least for hattrick this time again :)
2017-10-10 16:03
TheRyk

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 407
most people just do some rule/vote whining because it belongs to each compo, let the few who seriously complain sulk on. there are sooo many great tunes, I don't care so much about how you fake the vote results in the ending anyway :P

PS: "anonymous" compo would not make much sense, as experienced listeners would know more than half of artists anyway either by style or even by player routine
2017-10-10 17:35
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 670
Quoting TheRyk
I don't care so much about how you fake the vote results in the ending anyway :P


WAT? Now that was some shit, sir, I hope you didn't mean orgs' actions. You better take it back :P
2017-10-10 22:57
TheRyk

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 407
Honk if you demand satisfaction, Sir!
2017-10-11 00:36
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 8208
du bist mir so ein honk!
2017-10-11 17:01
DRAX

Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 220
RAf, I think it could go both ways or perhaps not even matter whether I am known or not. I simply just care about people voting according to what they think of the music and not for me being drax. I thought of entering under a pseudonym but I believe people would have spotted my style anyways. Perhaps some people would also compare my tune to my previous ones and judge it from that perspective rather than comparing to the other tunes in the compo. One could also make a rule saying that musician rated among the 10 highest in csdb shouldn't attend? I attend because I kinda like composing short tunes due to laziness 😉
2017-10-11 18:08
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 670
Raf, name is one thing - you can't help it. Second thing is people usually don't want to give bad ratings and if entry doesn't meet their expectations, they simply pass. Or they are plainly ambivalent about it which results in the same action. You're probably more than aware that your effort is not entirely on par with Drax (but pretty decent compared to your earlier works which reflected in my evaluation) ;)
2017-10-11 18:59
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 8208
and you didnt even make the first HONK style sid in existance!
2017-10-11 19:56
spider-j

Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 127
I have a philosophical question:
I started developing a tune in GT with settings to 6581 and do my filters there, but actually don't own a real 6581 and still like the outcome "personally" more on my 8580 (which is the case for almost *all* 6581 tunes except those with cutoff 0). Did I make a 6581 or a 8580 tune?
2017-10-11 20:01
Hein

Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 802
8580. Disqualified!
2017-10-11 20:07
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 670
Quoting Groepaz
and you didnt even make the first HONK style sid in existance!


xD

I'll reiterate on it later but now off to Blade Runner 2049 ;)
2017-10-11 22:30
spider-j

Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 127
Quote: 8580. Disqualified!

Well. That answer brings up the next question: are SID tunes done in an emulator really SID tunes? ;-)
2017-10-11 22:44
Linus

Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 568
The real question is are SID tunes even music?

"Crack Intro MUSIC competition 2017", huh? "An exercise in futility 2017" would be a more appropriate title.
Thanks, Jammer, you HONK! :D
2017-10-12 17:36
Raf

Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 328
Quote: Raf, name is one thing - you can't help it. Second thing is people usually don't want to give bad ratings and if entry doesn't meet their expectations, they simply pass. Or they are plainly ambivalent about it which results in the same action. You're probably more than aware that your effort is not entirely on par with Drax (but pretty decent compared to your earlier works which reflected in my evaluation) ;)

Jammer, you should be politician I think ;)

Actually I didn't take voting here seriously right from the start but I was concerned more about *number of votes* between those "famous" and "unknown" than name/friend voting, you seem to connect that together though. I'm fully aware that I'm not on the top at SIDding but I find it fun anyway.


www.c64power.com
2017-10-12 20:47
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 670
Little trouble in the meantime:

Shades of Grey: New Intro for Hokuto Force

Guys wanted to be nice and used my tune. While I feel really flattered, according to rules my tune has to be put out of the compo :/
2017-10-12 21:02
lft

Registered: Jul 2007
Posts: 302
New strategy: Secretly make a musicdisk of all the tunes in the compo, then release it just before the deadline. Also release another compo entry (that isn't in the musicdisk). It will win on walkover.
2017-10-12 21:11
spider-j

Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 127
Jammer: Leave it in. It's not your fault. Personally I thought this rule is/was about not re-releasing already used stuff in the first place.
2017-10-12 21:12
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 670
I've already put it out of compo for time being but I'm waiting for opinions ;)
2017-10-13 11:49
Steel

Registered: May 2006
Posts: 2
Quote: I've already put it out of compo for time being but I'm waiting for opinions ;)

Come on this is ridiculous. PUT THAT DAMN TUNE BACK IN.
As far as i see it makes your tune already a winner if someone so desperately wants to use it in an INTRO... oh well it was a competition for crack intro music right ;)
2017-10-13 13:43
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 8208
jammer should be disqualified alltogether. BRING OUT THE PITCHFORKS!
2017-10-13 13:48
CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts:
It's a trick so Jammer can add another tune to the compo without feeling stupid for flooding the compo with his own entries.

It's also quite a clever idea how to remove the competition. Someone should use Drax's tune in intro asap.

*trollface*
2017-10-13 13:49
CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts:
p.s.: srsly. Tune should stay in the compo. Hokuto intro should be disqualified!
2017-10-13 14:06
iAN CooG

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1734
HF crack should be deleted from everyone's HD and the entry postdated to $end_of_compo_date+1
=)
2017-10-13 14:22
Linus

Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 568
Quote: jammer should be disqualified alltogether. BRING OUT THE PITCHFORKS!

PITCHFORKS?! Calm down! A life time ban from CSDB should suffice.
2017-10-13 14:45
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 8208
thats not fun :)
2017-10-13 15:40
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 670
Groepaz surely meant Pitchfork Magazine and now I have to tell, I'm really honoured! :D
2017-10-13 17:30
psych858o

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 118
Jammer just stop fooling around and bring back your tune to the compo!
It's really silly as your tune was firstly released in the compo and that what counts!

Or.....it is well managed marketing around the tune as competition is tough ;)
2017-10-13 18:28
celticdesign

Registered: Oct 2005
Posts: 106
We need a voting committee with at least 100 people to get fair results... ;-)
2017-10-13 21:39
Raf

Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 328
next tracker compo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvK83xglHGw
2017-10-15 16:03
DRAX

Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 220
Jammer put that tune back in - it isn't your fault.
2017-10-17 04:02
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 670
Ok, if you guys say so... I'd probably regret throwing it out sooner or later :)
2017-10-17 08:51
Linus

Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 568
Well done, marketing queen, well done! :)
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