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2017-10-05 08:10
lft

Registered: Jul 2007
Posts: 316
Release id #159269 : Fugue on a theme by D. M. Hanlon

Quoting Scarzix

Really nice. Lovely composition. but... what about:

- tune that covers someone else's composition, cannot be a procedural conversion of any kind - put some effort into process (quote from Jammer)


Yeah, clearly this is lacking in effort. =)

Of course this is up to the organisers, but I think there is historical precedent. Let's dig a little deeper, just for the fun of it. =)

At least among music scholars, a piece of music that quotes, references, or otherwise uses an existing melody as basis for variation, is generally considered a composition in its own right. Whereas if, to a large extent, the piece is recognisable as a new version of an old composition, it is termed a rearrangement or transcription (and we would call it a cover).

So, in publications of Max Reger's Variations and Fugue on a theme by Bach, Reger is listed as the composer. In publications of Bach's Fugue on a Theme by Corelli, Bach is listed as the composer.

Even Gounod's famous Ave Maria, where he added a melody to one of Bach's preludes, is considered a composition by Gounod, even though it is sometimes listed as a Bach-Gounod co-op (released 103 years after the death of one of the members of this dynamic duo).

But in contrast, Myra Hess' famous piano version of Jesu Bleibet..., even though a lot of creativity went into it, is a transcription, and the composer is given as Bach. Likewise, here Mozart merely rearranged Händel (zoom in on the cover).
 
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2017-10-05 12:39
Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 914
Quote: whats the problem with "automatic conversions" anyway? they usually sound like ass :)

Valid point. Probably ranks so low in the end that it's not worth bothering with refining the rules for that.
2017-10-05 13:30
Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 4136
love that Gounod piece.
2017-10-05 22:46
Hein

Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 815
Semantics discussions are lame intellectual games, they have nothing to do with music.

Found a good example online:

Why Cage is just like Bach

Bach- Is Bach
Handel- A more religious Bach
Mozart- A cuter younger Handel
Beethoven- An angsty Mozart
Chopin- A less angsty Beethoven
Tchaikovsky- Chopin plus Orchestra
Debussy- A relaxed Tchaikovsky
Ravel- Debussy plus Jazz
Gershwin- Ravel plus even more jazz
Joplin- Gershwin plus more America
Stravinsky- Joplin plus atonal
Ives- Stravinsky plus more messed up music
Cage- Ives minus the music

In my opinion, the artist creating the piece defines the rules. It don't matter in/out compo. Lft said he 'had fun making it'. That's what matters.
2017-10-05 22:58
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 695
To cut the story short - fugue part after Druid hint is not your own composition? Production info doesn't say anything on that :P And, first of all, it doesn't say anything about procedural processing (if that's the case). If it's procedural but doesn't exactly cover anything note by note, I don't see any problem at all :D
2017-10-06 00:19
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 8307
now i am tempted to enter the compo with a procedural conversion of my own decomposition.
2017-10-06 01:19
Scarzix

Registered: Aug 2010
Posts: 134
Cool, so covers can be done. I'll rest my case then, sorry for bringing it up. I got a few ideas now.
2017-10-06 02:19
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 695
Reading comprehension says 'Hi!' :D
2017-10-06 02:29
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 8307
and hein forgot:

Wagner - is metal \m/
2017-10-06 06:46
lft

Registered: Jul 2007
Posts: 316
Quoting Jammer
fugue part after Druid hint is not your own composition?


It is my own composition. I could have written "no copy" in the comment section, but I didn't feel that it was necessary. =)

Plenty of misunderstandings in this thread. It is interesting to try to figure out what everybody is thinking, based on their questions.
2017-10-06 06:59
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 695
Happens when people skip the rules and start drama ;)
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