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2017-11-30 15:02
ChristopherJam

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 707
Release id #160665 : Stepper Test 1.0

Copying the production notes below, but I'd really like to see some results from other people's drives for this one.
2017-11-30 15:04
ChristopherJam

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 707
"This tool was developed to assist fastload authors in determining the optimal stepper motor timing for moving the head a single track increment.

It reads the block header for 18,0, then steps 1.5 tracks away and 0.5 tracks back (latter to ensure it's coming from the right direction for a multiple track load). Then it waits until T1+T2 bycles before the block header is due to return, tells the stepper motor to move half a track, waits T1 bycles, steps again, then starts searching for the block header. If any of the next 10 syncs is accompanied by the desired block header, it marks success.

The load and save commands just save a screenshot to/from @:STEPPERTESTDATA (screen memory only, not d800)

(one bycle = 256 CPU cycles; term coined by Krill on IRC earlier this month. Each square on the grid is 4 bycles wide, or around a millisecond)."

FWIW, on the step out I spend a fairly conservative 25 bycles on each step, then wait 256 bycles at the most distant radius to allow it to settle before stepping back half a track. Source available on request.
2017-11-30 15:06
ChristopherJam

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 707
Interesting that between 30 and 40 bycles after setting the stepper motor to the half track phase it only takes another couple of bycles on the desired track to be able to read the header, but for the longer T1 values it doesn't stay aligned to the correct track for long. Perhaps overshooting the correct track? Or just returning to the half track after an initial overshoot of the half track?

I'm pondering writing another test just to see when the half track is readable, but I want to see how other's drives fare with this one first.
2017-11-30 17:03
The Human Code Machine

Registered: Sep 2005
Posts: 102
First run on my cold SX-64 using it's internal Bitfire "reference" floppy drive;)


and 2nd run with warm floppy drive

2017-11-30 18:25
ChristopherJam

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 707
Oh wow, the head really doesn't want to move on if it's spent 40-45 bycles trying to settle on the half track. I might have to adjust the scale if there are many more similar results.

Thanks for that!
2017-11-30 19:11
Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 919
Nice tool, will run it over my stack o'drives on the weekend or so.

Interesting results so far. But i have no explanation for the holes… anyone? :)
2017-11-30 19:18
celticdesign

Registered: Oct 2005
Posts: 110
Neutrinos?!
2017-11-30 20:24
Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 919
Alpha particles, more likely. But i was thinking about some possible bugs, actually. :)
2017-11-30 20:46
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 8317
i am seeing this (1541-II) - guess the ranges that are displayed must be tweaked :) (screenshot taken with chameleon, i made sure it shows exactly the same without chameleon though ;))

2017-11-30 20:53
lft

Registered: Jul 2007
Posts: 317
THCM was kind enough to let me test Spindle on his "problem drive", and one thing I learned was that just after a track change, the head seems to oscillate a bit before coming to rest. During this time, some sectors are garbled. Perhaps the header is read correctly from one track, and then it goes back to reading from the other track halfway through the sector contents.

Disconcertingly, sometimes the sector checksum would come out right even though the contents were wrong. I didn't dig any deeper into what happens here, and I fixed it (on Bitbreaker's suggestion) by throwing away the first few sectors after a track change, until a given number of consecutive sectors with correct checksum have been read.

To research the phenomenon, I would suggest a track with some constant nibble-pattern (55 55 55...) next to a track with a different pattern (cc cc cc...), and then switch back and forth between them, reading sectors, and looking for one that has the correct checksum but some variation in the contents. This sector (and the checksum) could then be sent to the host and displayed on the screen for further analysis. Though it might not work for all nibble-patterns, so some experimentation is called for.
2017-11-30 21:19
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 8317
that "oscillating" is the "settle time" - you should be able to find this in the datasheet of the mech :)
 
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