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2009-08-21 14:56
goto80

Registered: Jan 2002
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single-channel echo (who was first?)

So, the NESers claim FIRST on single-channel echo (1988):
http://nesdev.parodius.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=5397

Was this made earlier on the C64?
On the Amiga I'm guessing there was plenty, anyone has any examples?

The war goes on...

:)

In the NESdev thread Neil Baldwin posts a link to his single-channel-echo-feature in his NES-editor. Pretty sweet: http://dutycyclegenerator.com/sound/echo.mp3

 
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2009-08-23 12:47
Soren

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 545
the correct term for Geir's thing would probably be "delay".
:-)

And on c64, I guess it's more correct to say "one voice" instead of "one channel" :-)
2009-08-23 12:51
SIDWAVE
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yeah. i accept your nitpicking :D
2009-08-24 10:57
Frantic

Registered: Mar 2003
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Just like Jeff says, the filter method is limited in its usefulness because it may sound different on different machines. However, I just want to add that using relative filter cutoff "sweeps" in order to simulate "note trigs" with different "amplitude" may nevertheless sound very nice (on machines that sounds like yours). In fact, it may actually sound a bit like a tape echo, speaking of "echo" vs "delay" and so on. So.. I guess it depends on whether you want to use the tune for a demo or so, or for the sake of music itself.
2009-09-05 19:02
neilbaldwin
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You guys :)

First off can I say that it wasn't me making the claim and I did say that my post on nesdev was tongue-in-cheek.

Good to see it promoted some debate though. I didn't realise there was so much NES/C64 rivalry :D
2009-09-06 00:24
SIDWAVE
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Neil: there is no sid/nes rivalry - SID rules! :D
2009-09-06 09:25
Stainless Steel

Registered: Mar 2003
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Neil Baldwin!!
Man, I've been listening to your SID tunes since Shadowskimmer. Awesome You're still around.
Any chance of you doing a SID tune again someday ? That would make alot of people really happy here, including myself :-D

2009-09-06 10:36
Steppe

Registered: Jan 2002
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Count me in into the circle of happy-be'ers! :-)
2009-09-06 12:30
neilbaldwin
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Quote: Count me in into the circle of happy-be'ers! :-)

Thanks!

I've been getting back into chip music recently but on the NES. It was easier for me to get back into (access to tools/old code etc.) so I rewrote my NES audio engine from scratch and have put out a couple of demos so far (http://dutycyclegenerator.com).

I don't know how accessible coding on C64 emulators is? I'm 100% Mac/OSX user these days and I have Power64 but as far as assemblers etc. I wouldn't know where to start.

Coding aside, I've been looking at Goat Tracker but I find it a little impenetrable (as I have always done with tracker-type stuff, I don't know why) so I need to spend more time figuring it out.

I don't have *much* time for this stuff (plenty of other things keep my busy these days) so don't hold your breath for anything any time soon. :)

Edit : oops, I quoted the wrong post. Sorry :)
2009-09-06 20:57
Stainless Steel

Registered: Mar 2003
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I always wondered, did you actually code your own music routine back on the c64 ?
You seem to have used the infamous Electrosound and some Rob Hubbard routines,
but some other tunes like ALA or ANOTHER TUNE FOR JOANNA sound like some custom driver.

Gotta say though, the shadowskimmer title tune is one of the f*cking best tunes ever.

And yes, Emulation is quite usable these days (VICE emulating 8580 atleast).
Alot of people compose only under emulation (myself included).
2009-09-06 21:26
neilbaldwin
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Quote: I always wondered, did you actually code your own music routine back on the c64 ?
You seem to have used the infamous Electrosound and some Rob Hubbard routines,
but some other tunes like ALA or ANOTHER TUNE FOR JOANNA sound like some custom driver.

Gotta say though, the shadowskimmer title tune is one of the f*cking best tunes ever.

And yes, Emulation is quite usable these days (VICE emulating 8580 atleast).
Alot of people compose only under emulation (myself included).


I did eventually, yes. The Electrosound and Hubbard comments are correct though :)

Coincidentally I've recently done an email interview for Jan Harries where I (try to) explain a bit more about it all. I don't know when it's due to be published though, maybe Jan can tell us.
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