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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1031 |
X2016 Competitions: Your Input Wanted!
The 28th of october is still far away but getting closer and closer. The organizers have been getting busy and are now well underway to get everything sorted out for another smashing X!
Since entry delivery and running the compos at X14 went quite smooth and voting is now done in realtime, we believe we may have room for 1 or 2 more (small/fun) c64 competitions. Like a PETSCII compo or a 4k compo, or maybe you guys have an idea?
Or perhaps you think the straightforward demo/music/gfx compos are enough.
Let us know :) |
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algorithm
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 702 |
The Turbo chameleon takes over the Ram and the CPU via its own core even when connected to the C64.
This opens the possibility of some cheating via activating turbo mode from within the program when required :-) I would guess the testers at the party would somewhat need to either trust the coder(s) or test it on something else before |
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lft
Registered: Jul 2007
Posts: 369 |
I'm not worried about deliberate cheating, though. People would find out soon enough afterwards, and the perpetrators would be disqualified and publicly shamed. What I care about is that the demo runs on the agreed-upon platform, and not some emulation. While unlikely, there could still be undiscovered glitches left, and coders should be free to exploit them. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
No Chameleon ffs. Everything should run on real hw, and 1541U2 is good for most demos; if there are demos with stunning change disk-parts, the contestants could flag for use of real 1541. Why even discuss emulators and Chameleon (that's a nono for me when it comes to compos because of what algorithm said above) and stuff like that? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11108 |
chameleon is as much a nono as 1541U is. i'd make sure my prod doesnt work on either :) |
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MagerValp
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1055 |
The sad part is that there's no way you can guarantee that it works on "real hardware". We're talking about mechanical devices at least 25 years old, media that was at best produced in the 90s, and unshielded cables that are sensitive to noise. I've done my best to try and find a known good drive to use, but even so it's failed for no apparent reason during a compo.
The 1541U isn't perfect, but at least it's a known entity that you can test against. As far as I know all the major demo loaders work on it, e.g. Krill, DreamLoad, Spindle, Bitfire - hell even BoozeLoad works :) |
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Cresh
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 354 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxyhfiCO_XQ |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5017 |
+1 |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1031 |
I'm sorry guys, but this is getting annoying, it's like you guys don't read my replies at all and on top of that, only few of you seem to have any idea on the pragmatic choices we have to make as the persons responsible for running a great compo, without crashes and without huge delays.
So, let me state the facts once again:
1) All compo's we'll be run from a real c64 (both 6581 and 8580), we will not prerecord.
2) The X2014 compo was probably the first big compo ever to run on schedule, with every compo, including voting, dane performance, prize ceremony and a very nice dinner all on time ;)
It was also the first time we used the 1541U and a voting system capable of delivering a clean SD card with compo entries on the fly. Manually copying files/disks was intentionally not part of the process, and if you look at the result... Pretty damn awesome, if I may say so ;)
3) We are always easy going with deadlines, this requires a flexible compofile generation process where everything is automated. Copying disks can not be automated.
4) We are purists too, if we can run everything from real drives easily, we will. Since everything ran so smooth last time, I think we got room to accomodate some disk copying. If only you loaderguys would only write loaders that don't have to be written by the same drive... That's really what causes all the real problems (crashes, delays, the need to copy with one drive only).
Don't forget, all current loaders run perfectly fine on 1541U and Chameleon, you can't say the same with real floppies and real drives. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5017 |
" only few of you seem to have any idea on the pragmatic choices we have to make as the persons responsible for running a great compo"
naturally most of us have no experience on that, so best for you is simply ignore what the inexperienced bastards say ;) |
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lft
Registered: Jul 2007
Posts: 369 |
Burglar, I do hear what you're saying; sorry for straying off topic. And I'm happy that you'll try to use real 1541 drives for multi-side demos if possible.
For the cases where this doesn't work, I encourage you to consider MagerValp's suggestion (1541U on the cartridge port of another C64, with IEC cable to the compo machine). To me, this makes far more sense than a Chameleon, since apparently if you hook up a Chameleon, a large part of the machine will be emulated. |
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