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MagerValp
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1055 |
THE 64
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-64-computer-and-handheld..
I don't suppose anyone know who the "world class software and hardware engineer" is, or the "technical team from around the world"? The page fails to mention any names besides Darren Melbourne. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11108 |
werent YOU involved into the DTV? =)
i like how they say "we have a working prototype" but dont show it at all - very convincing =P |
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lft
Registered: Jul 2007
Posts: 369 |
Since they apparently didn't proofread the fundraiser, how can we trust them to get all the details right in the implementation? Also, for crying out loud, if you have a "risks and challenges" section, please put some actual risks and challenges in there. Such as "We were unable to think of any". |
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MagerValp
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1055 |
Quoting Groepazwerent YOU involved into the DTV?
I helped write the firmware, yeah. None of us on the firmware side have anything to do with THE 64, and I'm pretty sure they're not using Jeri's C1/DTV core. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11108 |
my bet is on: its a rhaspi running VICE (or even FRODO) |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1714 |
Interesting project. It's very vague on whether it intends to really emulate the c64 in detail or if it relies on hacked up copies of the games. Is it locked in or can you run files directly from the card? Those are all important points if you want early adopter money from the nerd crowd. |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1714 |
Quote: my bet is on: its a rhaspi running VICE (or even FRODO)
Perhaps, but what is the cartridge port doing? Granted it does not mention anything about legacy carts, so it could be just another USB port. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11108 |
cart port could be used to dump gamecartridges which then can be played in the emulator.... there was atleast one other "console" that worked that way (forgot how it was called, it ran NES/SMS stuff iirc) |
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Soren
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 547 |
"THE SID" chip not included? ;) |
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Pex Mahoney Tufvesson
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 50 |
My guess is that the SX64-handheld version will have a 60Hz display, immediately rendering it _useless_ for anything I'd like to do.
My guess is that you'd have a reSID-48kHz software implementation of SID, rendering it _useless_ for anything I'd like to do.
My guess is that I'm better off playing with the toys I already have, and I would not recommend anyone at the technical level of "csdb-user" to get any hopes up on this being anything near what we like to have, since there's no replacement for the real thing. Ever. :)
/ Pex
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Have a noise night!
http://mahoney.c64.org |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3034 |
Totally agrees with everything Pex(Mahoney) said.
+ I don't think for $150/piece (and $150000 on development) it's impossible to get anything close to the production quality of the original thing in a short time. If this is not project by someone who already tried and succeded in C64 hardware peripherial/gadget development, then I don't believe it's a valid attempt. |
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Tao
Registered: Aug 2002
Posts: 115 |
Indeed. If Jeri had been behind this, I would've supported it. Now though? Not bloody likely. Bring on a kickstarter for a remake of the SuperCPU instead :) |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1714 |
Maybe related to this from a few years back?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/10/ellsworth_tweet_prompts.. |
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MagerValp
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1055 |
No relation between the two projects, as far as I can tell. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2062 |
However, in German oracles erhm forum they also speculate project might be based on already produced DTV parts lying in some stock for a while.
Not my cup of tea, I think. Handheld's out of the question for me, anyway, as I've got a DTV (with keyboard mod, so why purchase some portable toy with no keyboard access again) And the whole USB stuff... meh... |
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algorithm
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 702 |
"THE 64 is being designed and developed by a team led by a world class software and hardware engineer. He is aided by a technical team from around the world."
Who are these people I wonder.. Could it not just be some raspberry pi with a mini screen and some extra expansion and a custom port of vice? :-) |
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MagerValp
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1055 |
Quoting TheRykHowever, in German oracles erhm forum they also speculate project might be based on already produced DTV parts lying in some stock for a while.
I don't see how - the DTV core doesn't have support for HDMI, USB, or cartridges. |
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Kabuto
Account closed
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 58 |
They say "we" but only one team member is really disclosed - where it's commonplace for crowdfunding to list ALL your core team members, people want to know who they give their money to.
As mentioned, where's the prototype? All I see is a prototype for the case. Probably one of the reasons why they didn't use Kickstarter - you are required to have a prototype there (see the recent Coleco Chameleon debacle).
"Flexible funding goal" - if you're manufacturing hardware you usually have huge fixed costs which probably make it impossible to deliver if you just collect a fraction of that money. Unless you're just rebranding something |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
Is this guy somehow related to this ? he talks about some c64 hardware project in the end of the article.
c64.com interview |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2893 |
<Post edited by Moloch on 16/4-2016 03:15>
same person, yes
He was a producer (licensing) at Ironstone with the DTV |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3034 |
Ok, so now, when it's clear, that it is the same person which was related to C64 D2TV (by Jeri Ellsworth), it sounds more realistic. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5017 |
dtv was atleast new compatible HW to play with. this is probably a shitty emu in a box.. |
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MagerValp
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1055 |
They (he?) at least responded, though not with any actual information: https://twitter.com/the64computer/status/720993775804407808
Jeri confirmed that she doesn't have anything to do with it: https://twitter.com/jeriellsworth/status/721080673474183168 |
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Dr.j
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 276 |
what is the thing Handheld console?..its only me who don't see any logical connection between reloaded c64 and Console. i think handheld are a way out of fashion and why ppl who use new "old" c64 will use also the Console. and like other who wrote earlier: kind hard to see the specs of the product. if its 100% hardware of the c64 (of course expect the desing of the k-board) so its totally awesomeness but if its software who running emulation shit , so i don't care for this project. for me (if the latter is correct) its like buying 10 years old PC and run emulator on it. its still hard to guess what is going here but must admit the campaign looks very good and a selling one |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3034 |
"Coming ASAP!"
I wonder why people send money before they actually get more relevant info (like, who is behind the actual engineering) or key technical details ;-)
And wow... thanx to this I have discovered relevant hardware-geek-C64 people that are actually using twitter. Nice!! |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3034 |
Thinking out loud about...
Ok so if it was based on C64 reloaded (it works and it's teted) + sid emulation in chip (like swinsid, which is not great, but it's a proof that something like that can be done. Then you still need good quality keyboard and some connectors, plastic case.. and putting everything to together. Well..doesn't sound totally bad to me.
And if this one doesn't plan to go this way, I'm sure, sooner or later someone will try to do it proper way (with few relevant enhancements here or there)
r |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11108 |
the supposed price of the product alone tells you that its NOT going to be anything like the c64reloaded - you can hardly make a case, or even a custom keyboard for that kind of money (we have looked into it, its crazy expensive) |
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Perplex
Registered: Feb 2009
Posts: 254 |
Not to mention it being almost perpetually out of stock. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3034 |
Quote: the supposed price of the product alone tells you that its NOT going to be anything like the c64reloaded - you can hardly make a case, or even a custom keyboard for that kind of money (we have looked into it, its crazy expensive)
I thought so. |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1714 |
They release some specs on their IGG page.Quote:
"Technical Specifications
The specifications for THE 64 are not fixed at this point in time - we will be engaging with the community and customers over the coming months to deliver the best product we can! We want to hear from you guys what you want us to add!
Specifications that are fixed are:
Accurate recreation of the classic Commodore 64.
HDMI video and audio output.
We are considering composite video in addition to HDMI, for use on classic televisions.
Multiple SIDs for stereo sound (6581 or 8580)
New high-capacity (512MB+) writable cartridge support, with an adapter interface available later to provide classic cartridge compatibility.
Support for current storage media (for example SD cards), with emulation of the 1541.
Multiple joystick support for multi-player games.
Support for many of the popular emulator game file formats.
Firmware upgradable to support additional features and machines in the future (DTV64 features, etc.)
Hopefully the possibility to connect original peripherals."
It seems to imply hardware level emulation rather than a CPU-based emulation but it's hard to tell.
Maybe it's a modified Minimig style board? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11108 |
i very much doubt its an fpga based thing (RE: pricetag - and for HDMI you need something more powerful than the minimig, meaning more expensive too) |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1714 |
Quote: i very much doubt its an fpga based thing (RE: pricetag - and for HDMI you need something more powerful than the minimig, meaning more expensive too)
It all depends on the volume they are expecting. If not a minimig, it could be a Xilinx Zynq or an Altera Cyclone V SOC variant perhaps. Not too expensive compared to the case and keyboard I would imagine.
$150k worth of sales isn't that much though. They'll have to count in a lot more sales to make it float.
If they can pull it off before December all depends who is behind it and if they have assessed the complexity of the task correctly.
Awaiting more details... |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11108 |
another thing that makes me very sceptic about it being FPGA - what core is it? making a halfway compatible core is a _LOT_ of work afterall (it takes many years). you can hardly make the hardware for those 150k, but pay a team of developers to work for, lets say a year? no way. |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1714 |
Sure. It probably requires the team to work for free on the promise of income based on future sales, like say royalties.
Given you have enough prior experience of the c64 and writing emulations of it, I think it could be feasible to implement in time, although very high risk. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11108 |
"Given you have enough prior experience of the c64 and writing emulations of it"
yeah - that again raises the question of "WHO?" =) they keep talking about how they have a high profile lineup and "people from the scene" yet fail to drop *any* names. shady =P |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1714 |
Agreed. The number of people that fit that category are a short list, especially if you add the aspect of working for free. If it really is an FPGA, maybe Gideon? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11108 |
certainly not, he is way too occupied with family (divorce) stuff - he can hardly keep up with 1541u things. Peter will not work for free (and he is bound to chameleon). Wolfgang and Mike (fpga arcade) will not do a core for a closed source project. that basically leaves none of the usual suspects left =P |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3034 |
Quote: Agreed. The number of people that fit that category are a short list, especially if you add the aspect of working for free. If it really is an FPGA, maybe Gideon?
I'm sure Gideon has enough work with his own gadget.
And those specs look more like "wishlist" than actual technical specs. Which suggests, they weren't made by actual developer of the hardware.
I think this project needed a lot more preparation before going into "crowdsourcing" mode. I wonder what happens next, but so far, it looks very dubious (or shady as Groepaz said) |
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MagerValp
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1055 |
I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, but those "Technical Specifications" basically confirm that they have no hardware. Unless they start naming names and showing working prototypes, stay far, far away. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11108 |
https://www.facebook.com/The64computer/posts/1536267333345169
*plop* |
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Morpheus
Registered: Feb 2004
Posts: 152 |
Hey guys,
I'm helping Retro Games Ltd to find people to create new games for the two new machines. I have no final say on what the machines will be like in the end, but I'm giving my suggestions of how to make a machine that both satisfies scene inhabitants and people that would buy the machines in retail stores.
And you can do that too! This was posted on the campaign page:
"The specifications for THE 64 are not fixed at this point in time - we will be engaging with the community and customers over the coming months to deliver the best product we can! We want to hear from you guys what you want us to add!"
So, ask questions and give your suggestions on the companys' IndieGoGo campaign (http://tinyurl.com/zy2f8hw) or on their Facebook page (http://tinyurl.com/jnr7og9). Get in there and help shape the machines into something cool!
If anyone here is interested in creating new games for the machines and have a track record, please get in touch with me directly on andreas@andreaswallstrom.com.
Cheers! |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5017 |
a new fpga c64 would have bigger fanbase, just like the dtv. esp. if it was backwards c64 compatible, but still having all the connectors the case etc. that would be a thing. c65 like capabilities would rule. |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1714 |
Quote: https://www.facebook.com/The64computer/posts/1536267333345169
*plop*
Quote:At the core of THE 64 is a low cost, high power ARM Cortex SoC, which provides all the modern interfaces demanded by todays consumers. This has clear advantages for the consumer. Creating a software/hardware hybrid machine allows THE 64 to be both affordable and flexible, and delivers a product that can expand to meet users future needs. A pure hardware implementation, on the other hand, fixes the specification at design time, and we feel that this is too limiting a solution and a substantial risk. Gate arrays are too costly to give an economic solution.
"ARM Cortex SoC" is pretty vague. Is it an M- or A-series? 64-bit? ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ARM_microarchitectures )
At least we now know for certain that it's an emulator based approach.
Even with a fairly decent ARM SoC I guess running something like x64sc is going too be tough, so only limited compatibility then...
It's going to be interesting to see if and how they are going to handle the physical interfaces. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3034 |
Quote: https://www.facebook.com/The64computer/posts/1536267333345169
*plop*
Do I get it right, that it's extended DTV? That's not exactly bad thing, or is it? |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1714 |
Quote: Do I get it right, that it's extended DTV? That's not exactly bad thing, or is it?
No. It basically says it's going to be a computer (ARM SoC) running an emulator. Presumably it's one of the already available emulators. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3034 |
Quote: No. It basically says it's going to be a computer (ARM SoC) running an emulator. Presumably it's one of the already available emulators.
*disappointment* |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11108 |
Quote:Presumably it's one of the already available emulators.
which leaves the question... which one is it?
- VICE (will run slow on this kind of setup, meaning its x64 with fastsid if you want decent speed -> crap)
- FRODO (will run at decent speed, but compatibility sucks -> crap)
- custom (unlikely)
meanwhile, rhaspi2+keyrah+c64 case will get you pretty much this. *sigh* |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2839 |
Morpheus: So people shall create games that run on the thing, but as it's supposed to be compatible with the original C-64, those games shall run on an actual C-64 as well?
Why not simply include a bunch of C-64 games? Those keep rolling in anyways. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11108 |
obviously they need a unique selling point for that thing :) |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2839 |
Yes, with games that will inevitably end up here as cracks... :) |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 243 |
Quote: Yes, with games that will inevitably end up here as cracks... :)
not downloadable cracks.. lol |
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algorithm
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 702 |
More than likely will be Vice with a custom frontend.
Should not be an issue speedwise AND with resid enabled with build >2.4 or so. I have it running on my smartwatch at full speed with resid enabled and that is a pretty standard dual core arm core. X64SC port is out of the question however. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3034 |
We've worked to ensure that the experience is as close to the original as possible! (THE 64)
In order to be successful, one must project an image of success at all times. (American Beauty) |
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Morpheus
Registered: Feb 2004
Posts: 152 |
Quote: Morpheus: So people shall create games that run on the thing, but as it's supposed to be compatible with the original C-64, those games shall run on an actual C-64 as well?
Why not simply include a bunch of C-64 games? Those keep rolling in anyways.
The idea is to have games that work on both machines, yes. There's also talks about doing platform specific games where for instance much more memory can be used without having to wait for the stuff to load all the time. No, don't worry, I'm not planning any FMV style games on the Sega CD, but who wouldn't want to see a classic game, like, ehh, The Last Ninja reimagined? Ok, not everybody but you know what I mean. :)
Classic games and I'm sure new games too will be licensed and included on the machine.
Are you interested in getting into games development? |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5017 |
that would be a selling point, many classic games with 0 loading times. with a nice frontend menu. savestates. etc. |
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Tom-Cat
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 20 |
So basically what EasyFlash cracks already do... :)
This product will probably be the low point of people trying to cash in on the retro rage ... *puke* |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11108 |
Quote:So basically what EasyFlash cracks already do...
except using a proprietary cartridge format of course =P |
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Fierman
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: |
Quote: Hey guys,
I'm helping Retro Games Ltd to find people to create new games for the two new machines. I have no final say on what the machines will be like in the end, but I'm giving my suggestions of how to make a machine that both satisfies scene inhabitants and people that would buy the machines in retail stores.
And you can do that too! This was posted on the campaign page:
"The specifications for THE 64 are not fixed at this point in time - we will be engaging with the community and customers over the coming months to deliver the best product we can! We want to hear from you guys what you want us to add!"
So, ask questions and give your suggestions on the companys' IndieGoGo campaign (http://tinyurl.com/zy2f8hw) or on their Facebook page (http://tinyurl.com/jnr7og9). Get in there and help shape the machines into something cool!
If anyone here is interested in creating new games for the machines and have a track record, please get in touch with me directly on andreas@andreaswallstrom.com.
Cheers!
no thanks |
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The Overkiller
Account closed
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 342 |
Quote: So basically what EasyFlash cracks already do... :)
This product will probably be the low point of people trying to cash in on the retro rage ... *puke*
Worst than CUSA useless C64x ? |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2839 |
Quoting MorpheusAre you interested in getting into games development? Okay, let's review:
- Unconvincing blurry overall aim of the project
- No prototype or even proof of work in progress, very little info on the actual implementation
- Supposedly going to run an emulator on a standard SoC, no gate-level recreation, possibly proprietary interfaces, bad compatibility
- Claims of first-rate development team, but no names mentioned, and the usual suspects are out
- Dubious credibility regarding previous work and connections with successful projects and the teams behind them
- Flexible funding goal on a project that requires a large fixed sum to produce the first batch of devices
- Overall unrealistic funding vs time vs product estimation
- No community-driven design or even a forum for suggestions
- No added value to existing devices or software, even if it will be finished
- Ludicrous amounts of (TM) and self-aggrandising marketing hogwash all over the place
- "A reproduced manuscript for a piece of music from one of the biggest names in Commodore music, signed by the original musician." - Now who would THAT be?
- Not even proper proof-reading of the fundraiser site
My guess: vapourware, scam, waste of effort.
So... while i will sooner or later release a game, it will be for the C-64. The real one. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11108 |
what krill said. thread can be closed now :o) |
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Morpheus
Registered: Feb 2004
Posts: 152 |
Krill, not trying to convince you here as you've already made your mind up, but games will be released on the C64 as well. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11108 |
games will be released on the C64 *in any case* so whats the point? :) |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2062 |
Krill nailed it |
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ZeHa
Registered: Apr 2009
Posts: 6 |
Quote:Overall unrealistic funding vs time vs product estimation
I think this might be a little short sighted argument though, as we all don't really know how much they have already done, i.e. how far the progress of this project is already. The fact that they are asking for funding now doesn't necessarily mean that they have only started this project one week ago. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11108 |
the fact that they dont show their prototype pretty much tells you that there is none - so what exactly did they do besides rendering mockups? |
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algorithm
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 702 |
"At the core of THE 64 is a low cost, high power ARM Cortex SoC"
Emulation... Then why not just get a cheap gaming tablet such as the jxd s7800b for less than £100 instead?? which also does 50hz via patch :-) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11108 |
i like how the questions vanja asked on facebook a week ago are conveniently ignored =) |
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Tom-Cat
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 20 |
Quote: the fact that they dont show their prototype pretty much tells you that there is none - so what exactly did they do besides rendering mockups?
The "prototype" they show on the pages looks like a normal C64 keyboard in a wooden case with the C= key being replaced by a mockup made in playdough by CEO's 3rd year old son.
That fact, lack of any real technical info and that it is a "flexible" campaign should be enough for anyone to steer way clear from this one. |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1627 |
So still nobody actually knows who these guys are? I find that quite amazing. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2839 |
Quoting MorpheusKrill, not trying to convince you here as you've already made your mind up, but games will be released on the C64 as well. Yeah, games which either work on the real thing or in a customised emulator running on a Raspberry Pi with a 3D-printed C64-ish case. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11108 |
Quote:So still nobody actually knows who these guys are?
somehow i get the impression that "guys" is not quite correct at all - and there is only one so far. |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1627 |
The company behind the product must be registered at someone's name (if it is a real reigstered business at all)? No? Somebody able to check? Or the domain name of the company website, or something? |
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Mr. SID
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 421 |
It's no secret, is it?
They're Darren Melbourne and Morpheus... |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1627 |
Ok, thanks for clarification! |
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insane
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 9 |
http://www.the64.computer/
34822 BASIC BYTES FREE - are they fcking serious??? |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3132 |
If one needed a proof this shit is all made up, now there is one =) |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1576 |
It's a poop machine. Whoever falls to this scam deserves it. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5017 |
how much time would it have taken to check the original startup screen, even if they have no clue ? |
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soci
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 473 |
At least it's a lot closer than 31981.909 was ;) |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2893 |
That bytes free fuck-up has been on the website since day 1 of the campaign and still remains today?! |
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TPM
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 109 |
Quote: The company behind the product must be registered at someone's name (if it is a real reigstered business at all)? No? Somebody able to check? Or the domain name of the company website, or something?
Look it up.. http://whois.donuts.co/
The domain belongs to some Paul Andrews, https://andrewsuk.com |
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algorithm
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 702 |
Lets assume that even if it was not a "fake" and was released, It would definitely just be a Raspberry PI with a screen, portable battery and Vice emulator.
There does not seem to be any portable raspberry PI systems available, they would probably do well if they just sold it as a portable PI |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11108 |
Quote:34822 BASIC BYTES FREE - are they fcking serious?
that pretty much sums up how serious this project is, doesnt it? =) |
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Adam
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 321 |
what the fuck? |
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Adam
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 321 |
another masterpiece..
xD |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 243 |
now thats some ram |
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Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 500 |
Also, it should be 64K not 64KB, and the I is seriously broken. Ready is not aligned to the left. Next please. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2839 |
These blatantly wrong numbers cannot be sheer idiocy or ignorance. There must be a code in there... :) |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1627 |
I think you're onto something big there. I'm pretty much convinced that the Illuminati is behind this thing. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2062 |
sadly, on forum64.de, some poor fellas already admitted having really backed that madness with various hundreds of money... ^^
hopefully teaches "yeah c64 crowdfunding must back this for hype's sake no matter what it is" hipsters some lesson and if it's only don't leave brain home when spending money on the web
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G395qCmRa0I
PS: finally figured out TM = The Madness |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2839 |
Quoting TheRykhopefully teaches "yeah c64 crowdfunding must back this for hype's sake no matter what it is" hipsters some lesson and if it's only don't leave brain home when spending money on the web I don't think there's anything hipster-esque involved, especially not on F64. Just an insatiable appetite for the acquired taste that is the C-64, or anything branded with it. I, for one, wish that the Commodore brand finally be left to rot in peace. And yes, that these money-grabbing scams dry up and people wisen up. |
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Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 500 |
On the other hand, there's better ways to scam people or acquire money from illegal activities :-D Having a proper job would also suffice. |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1378 |
A proper job? Noooo! I want people to crowdfund me to work full time on demos, emulator features, and c64 toooools!
(only mostly joking; I would quite happily spend more time on c64 things if it actually helped pay the rent) |
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Fresh
Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 101 |
Considering there are people doing this and gaining fame and bucks...
Well, 8 bit fiddling is definetely an underestimated art. |
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Mr.Ammo
Account closed
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 228 |
Just found this in the disclaimer on the website:
"The Commodore Roms, BIOS and THE 64(tm) form factor are officially licensed from Cloanto https://cloanto.com/"
So, this cloanto has a emu platform called retroplatform: http://www.retroplatform.com/. The c64 emulation is based on vice (https://www.c64forever.com/sourcecode/). |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11108 |
dont tell me that was news to you =) |
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balsi
Account closed
Registered: May 2016
Posts: 20 |
Quote: my bet is on: its a rhaspi running VICE (or even FRODO)
I think the 64 is too expensive!Everyone can get C64.Emu by Broglia,ANVICE or Frodo for a few Bucks and can play his Demos or Games Mobile.I do not pay 160 or 200 Bucks for this! |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11108 |
Quote:C64.Emu by Broglia
beware, this also is VICE :) |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3034 |
Why beware? He didn't say Vice is bad. |
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algorithm
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 702 |
Its probably also more than likely that the screen will probably be the usual 60hz TFT. Want a portable C64 cheaper and more flexible? Get the JXD S7800B handheld, Install the 50hz kernal patch, Purchase C64.emu and set forced screen update to screen refresh rate. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11108 |
Quote:Why beware? He didn't say Vice is bad.
all i wanted to say is that you shouldnt be paying for it :) |
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Luca
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 178 |
Quote: Its probably also more than likely that the screen will probably be the usual 60hz TFT. Want a portable C64 cheaper and more flexible? Get the JXD S7800B handheld, Install the 50hz kernal patch, Purchase C64.emu and set forced screen update to screen refresh rate.
Found several patches to perform that on a JXD S7800B, can you tell me which one did you installed and how? Thanks in advance. |
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algorithm
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 702 |
Quote: Found several patches to perform that on a JXD S7800B, can you tell me which one did you installed and how? Thanks in advance.
It was the Custom rom by Lujji as well as the kernel patch supplied by him at the below link
http://www.arctablet.com/blog/forum/crewrktablets-rk3188-entwic..
The rockchip batch tool is used to write the firmware as well as the kernel patch to the device.
Older versions of C64.emu do not work well as it does not have the sync to refresh option. (The later version thankfully has this option) Also works well with uae4all. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3034 |
Quote: Quote:Why beware? He didn't say Vice is bad.
all i wanted to say is that you shouldnt be paying for it :)
Aha, ok ;). |
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Adam
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 321 |
paying for vice.. doesn't sit well with me. also.. no update since June?
I wonder what games (apart from Sam's Journey) they're talking about.
no further updates on their indigoslow page since the 14th of May. Anyone else got any info about what's going on with this project or the games they're trying to get? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11108 |
but you can preorder it! |
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Adam
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 321 |
Quote: but you can preorder it!
oh, that's comforting. please, take my money. who needs to see a working device before paying anyway? ppft. ;) |
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Raffox|HF
Registered: Jul 2006
Posts: 15 |
I emailed last week asking for some news but got no answer back... so far. |
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tFt
Registered: Mar 2013
Posts: 6 |
Some news posted about this yesterday
https://the64.computer/news/
Seems they have a 3rd version going on too now, "THE64 Mini" But doesnt say much what it is. Or any more detailed info on the Desktop version.
Anyone know if this will run Demos out of the box via the USB port. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11108 |
that wall of text tells me the exact opposite: they have nothing but babble and hot air |
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Adam
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 321 |
Quoting Groepazthat wall of text tells me the exact opposite: they have nothing but babble and hot air
yep. seems it is just another pile of made up bullshit with nothing to show for it. mini c64? wtf? great. now this lamer is stealing ideas from nintendo.
what's next? c64switch? :) |
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oziphantom
Registered: Oct 2014
Posts: 478 |
I think they should add "burst processing" and maybe a "boobamatic processor" as well. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2062 |
As long as it comes with some blue and red racings stripes on the case, some fools are going to buy it, anyway |
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Syshack
Registered: Jun 2016
Posts: 4 |
Quote: that wall of text tells me the exact opposite: they have nothing but babble and hot air
Was thinking the same: "WTF? Come to the point, man!"
I gave up reading after a while. 3:-) |
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ws
Registered: Apr 2012
Posts: 228 |
"we have already secured options on an excess of 250 classic (as well as some brand new mega cool) games to ship installed on THE64"
The hyperbole is strong with this one.
Nobody in this world will have new C64 games before we do. |
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bugjam
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 2476 |
So they are aiming at the cracking scene as customers, it seems. :-) |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3034 |
Quote: "we have already secured options on an excess of 250 classic (as well as some brand new mega cool) games to ship installed on THE64"
The hyperbole is strong with this one.
Nobody in this world will have new C64 games before we do.
They didn't say "never before released" ;-) |
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pmprog
Account closed
Registered: Nov 2005
Posts: 54 |
Well, even before finishing the first two devices, they've declared a 3rd one is on the way... THE64 Mini!
I'm not exactly sure where they see it sitting between the handheld and the "desktop", but I guess that point is moot, considering the other two versions were supposed to be released December 2016
https://the64.computer/news/ |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3132 |
maybe it's a c64 with detachable joysticks!1 innovative!11eleven!one |
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Adam
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 321 |
latest updates were plastic models of the device and a wall of text to go with it.
https://www.facebook.com/The64computer/posts/1669425790029322 |
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oziphantom
Registered: Oct 2014
Posts: 478 |
look like a VIC-20 |
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Adam
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 321 |
Quoting oziphantomlook like a VIC-20
it sure does. |
