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2016-12-12 00:26
pepto
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colodore is the new pepto

Hey guys, I remeasured the video-signals of my VIC-II's and slightly updated my 15 year old attempt at calculating an rgb-clone. While at it, I also measured VIC & TED and made a little website about it, that allows you to adjust brightness, contrast and saturation as you like and then save your own custom palette to a png-file.

http://www.colodore.com


I took extra care to make sure, that the brightness, contrast and saturation sliders behave the same way as my 1084s.

While closely comparing my LCD to the 1084s, I found that making the transparency of scanlines dependent on YUV's Y (so they are less visible for brighter colors) looked a lot more like the real thing. I also noticed that the phase-shift on odd-lines happens for YUV's V only and there's even a name for it in video-lingua: hanover bars.

After implementing this, I'm happy to say that the images on my LCD and 1084s are remarkably close.


I will write a more detailed article about it in January, but seriously need a christmas-break first...

Cheers,
pepto
 
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2017-02-12 21:10
pepto
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Unfortunately I'm far more busy at work right now, than I had planned.

Anyway, I managed to write most stuff down today, so I decided to put it up at http://www.pepto.de/projects/colorvic/
2017-02-13 07:56
soci

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I expected some lab equipment involved in this. Things like measurements taken after the decoder in a 1084s and such.

But don't get me wrong, it's still cool ;)
2017-02-14 11:06
chatGPZ

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mmmh somehow i expected some more details =)
2017-02-14 12:06
JackAsser

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Quote: mmmh somehow i expected some more details =)

Maybe you think it's more complicated than it really is? :D
2017-02-14 12:27
chatGPZ

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perhaps =)
2017-02-15 16:51
pepto
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Well, where I come from, simple solutions are actually preferred, as long as they get the job done (see "KISS principle"). :D

I kinda like how little code is needed for a convincing result. In fact, I spent extra time rearranging it, for more clarity.
This means, that more xplat-tools could incorporate brightness, contrast and saturation sliders in the future - in a painless way... \o/
2017-02-15 16:56
pepto
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Quoting LogicDeLuxe
And for further taking different monitor behaviors into account, I guess, gamma sliders for YUV and also for RGB would make sense.

Furthermore, sliders for offset and gain for YUV and RGB. Those advanced settings can be hidden in a "service menu", like it was the case in most CRT TVs since the mid 90's.


Hmm, I never came across CRTs with Gamma, Offset and Gain dials. I will think about adding "advanced" settings to colodore.com though - thanks for feedback.
2017-02-15 18:48
soci

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Just a few more steps and there will be separate RGB sliders for each colour for maximum flexibility ;)
2017-02-15 19:27
chatGPZ

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i'd be most interested in seeing the algorithm applied to NTSC (using the sony decoder matrix).....

did a quick test in VICE with the hannover bars stuff as you implemented them.... now everything is pink. knoekicolors =) i think the renderer cant be reused as is and must be rewritten. sux ;_;
2017-02-15 19:54
pepto
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Quoting Groepaz
i'd be most interested in seeing the algorithm applied to NTSC (using the sony decoder matrix).....


If I didn't f*ck it up, like this I guess (only tested in Chrome): http://www.pepto.de/groepaz.html
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