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MagerValp
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1055 |
HDMI upscaling on a budget
I love my CRT to death, but sometimes a more compact option is needed. Does anyone know of an HDMI upscaler that doesn't cost $400, outputs 50 Hz without artifacts or dropping frames, and shows aspect correct 4:3 with black bars on a 16:9 display? The $30 converters on eBay are crap. Specifically, has anyone tried these KanexPro converters? http://www.kanexpro.com/converters/composite/ |
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Dano
Registered: Jul 2004
Posts: 226 |
Quote: They have option there where you can choose price of the goods to avoid VAT. Also there is some price where it's a bit higher but still less than 600 EUR on german amazon.
Edit: Yeah as Dano said. I think it is the best option. Still awesome price.
The price really is annoying, but still the device offers a brilliant and so far flawless image. Weasel got one connected to his beamer and it's always a pleasure to look at. Way better than anything i saw until now (and i wish they used that one at Revision, as the c64 just looks horrible there..).
Would be nice to see some examples from that retrotink if that's worth the wait after all. Still i think the upscaling from that output may still yield some artifacts on beamers and tvs.. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11092 |
are you saying an imagepro-hd is worse than this framemeister thing?
can i have some of the stuff you are smoking, please? =) |
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Dano
Registered: Jul 2004
Posts: 226 |
Quote: are you saying an imagepro-hd is worse than this framemeister thing?
can i have some of the stuff you are smoking, please? =)
excuse when i found the colors of reluge on the bigscreen more than dull and unpleasing.
so yes, framemeister may then be better.
or it's some other jingle-jangle happening there.
and yes, this was not just my humble opinion. period. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11092 |
you are comparing apple and oranges there really. i am 100% positive that an imagepro delivers a (far) better picture than this consumer stuff when its connected to the same display device. i am also 100% positive that framemeister would not be of much help with connecting a c64 to a 4k beamer like the one used at revision. and i am also 100% positive that if you are not pleased with the quality, and you know how to improve it, the revision team will be more than happy to let you help doing it. i am not quite 100% positive though that this is actually the case :) |
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Deev
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 206 |
I'd recommend Solaris Japan. I've bought from them a few times over the years. I bought my Framemeister using the EU option and all went smoothly. I presume the listings on Amazon are just someone trying to make money from people who don't know where to buy one. They occasionally go out of stock at Solaris.
I don't know anything about the imagepro-hd, but I'm guessing obsolete 8/16 bit computer graphics weren't really what it was designed for. Some very high end equipment can do a pretty awful job with these signals.
Take a look here:
http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de
There are processors that were sold for several thousand euros when new, which do a fairly mediocre job on the 240p tests. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11092 |
Quote:I don't know anything about the imagepro-hd, but I'm guessing obsolete 8/16 bit computer graphics weren't really what it was designed for.
they are designed to convert anything to anything. they dont care how "obsolete" the signal is, and they do everything that framemeister thing can do - and then some.
however, what they dont have are the typical oversaturated colors which are characteristic for most consumer grade video equipment :) it might just be a matter of adjusting a few settings to get the same (probably better) image from an imagepro, if what you are after are those screaming colors.
the problem here really is that some things you might perceive as "better" is really just what you are used to from what you have seen for decades. eg i have heard quite often from various people that the picture of a sony pvm monitor looks "bad" to them - when in objective terms its really much better than what most other (consumer) monitors can deliver. (for example because the typical "scanlines" are much more visible on the pvm than they are on eg a 1701). |
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Dano
Registered: Jul 2004
Posts: 226 |
groepaz, srsly test a framemeister yourself before judging it. flaming around upon people you don't regard as a pro yourself does not help.
leaving out personal perception about saturation out of sight, framemeister DOES provider a superb image. guess it does not hurt too much that it's "just" 1080p, does it?
and i guess we agree upon that the output counts not the money and and name we put on the device, right? even if it might hurt your pro-elite-übergott-heart that some gnarly consumer-hardware can do the job.
guess your hell will freeze over when even this retrotink device will do the job. oh dears.. |
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Dano
Registered: Jul 2004
Posts: 226 |
Quote: you are comparing apple and oranges there really. i am 100% positive that an imagepro delivers a (far) better picture than this consumer stuff when its connected to the same display device. i am also 100% positive that framemeister would not be of much help with connecting a c64 to a 4k beamer like the one used at revision. and i am also 100% positive that if you are not pleased with the quality, and you know how to improve it, the revision team will be more than happy to let you help doing it. i am not quite 100% positive though that this is actually the case :)
oh and yes, i recommended framemeister to the revision staff already. it's not rocket science to plug that one between the c64 and the capture-card-recording-whatever thing. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11092 |
*sigh* recommending random hardware of which is unknown if it would work or not in the existing production chain is NOT helping anyone really. and rewiring the recording setup every time someone needs to record some c64 stuff isnt really an option either. and still, the imagepro DOES provide a very very nice picture. its sharp, it doesnt drop frames, and you can adjust the colors and every other parameter including those you never heard about all you want. i am still 100% positive your problem is all about personal preference and could be solved easily by twiddling some knobs. you can always become part of the compo team and then do just that :) (and you can bet money on that afterwards, some people will bitch at you how you fucked up the colors =P)
(other parties have been using framemeister, btw. cant say i noticed a significant difference in picture quality though)
edit: just to make that clear: no doubt framemeister is an excellent device and does the job. but so is the imagepro (its the defacto reference for all and every scanconverter - and for a good reason). |
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Deev
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 206 |
Quoting GroepazQuote:I don't know anything about the imagepro-hd, but I'm guessing obsolete 8/16 bit computer graphics weren't really what it was designed for.
they are designed to convert anything to anything. they dont care how "obsolete" the signal is, and they do everything that framemeister thing can do - and then some.
however, what they dont have are the typical oversaturated colors which are characteristic for most consumer grade video equipment :) it might just be a matter of adjusting a few settings to get the same (probably better) image from an imagepro, if what you are after are those screaming colors.
the problem here really is that some things you might perceive as "better" is really just what you are used to from what you have seen for decades. eg i have heard quite often from various people that the picture of a sony pvm monitor looks "bad" to them - when in objective terms its really much better than what most other (consumer) monitors can deliver. (for example because the typical "scanlines" are much more visible on the pvm than they are on eg a 1701).
I'm not referring to colours. This image from the site I linked above demonstrates my point about high end equipment...
The shot behind is a Faroudja processor displaying 240p, that is quoted as costing $9000USD when new. You may dispute the use of the word "better", but whilst I'm sure it handles video extremely well, I'm confident it's not what most people want to see from pixel graphics.
Happy to take your word on the imagepro-hd though. |
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