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2018-01-20 17:35
goto80

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 134
What does CG stand for?

CG used to be the popular term for PETSCII graphics. But does anyone know what it stands for? I've seen both Character Graphics and Colour Graphics, but having trouble finding definite sources.

Any ideas?
2018-01-20 20:00
The Phantom

Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 352
I've always thought it was Computer Graphics, which was represented as C/G.
2018-01-20 20:03
tlr

Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1161
I concur.
2018-01-20 20:34
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 8472
imho its:

CG - computer graphics, generic term used by the media etc (before CGI was the new hot shit)
C/G - color / graphics. this refers to terminal programs and their capabilities. i have only ever seen it in terminal programs or related docs.
2018-01-22 09:45
Dr. TerrorZ

Registered: Oct 2013
Posts: 2
In a nutshell I think Groepaz has it right. But where did "C/G" come from?

My current understanding is there was a very early BBS software called C/G BBS, and an associated terminal program C/G Term. These are discussed in Compute!'s Gazette issue 18, vol. 2, no. 12 (December 1984), cover story.

In that article the C/G clearly means Color / Graphics, to differentiate from plain ASCII.

Perhaps this early software was influential in spreading the terminology, but I have no idea how they arrived at it. Maybe the authors of C/G BBS were imitating some "big computer" terminology.

Whether "CG" and "C/G" meant two different things for everybody I'm not as sure. I suspect in practice CG and C/G were used in a mixed way, without thinking much what they meant, Commodore Graphics, Character Graphics, Character Generator (?)...
2018-01-22 11:26
Frantic

Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1338
I always thought it was Character Graphics, but that's all really. Just something that I thought/heard/whatever, without "knowing" in any more substantial sense.
2018-01-25 22:38
goto80

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 134
I think everybody is right, for once! :-)

It makes sense that on BBSs it would mean Colour (since everything was characters already). But all C64-terminal software can display colours, right? So it would've been established somewhere else, where there were still monochrome monitors and/or terminal software that didn't support ANSI escape codes. Maybe the original C/G is actually ANSI?

hmm
2018-01-25 23:03
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 8472
Quote:
But all C64-terminal software can display colours, right?

perhaps. not sure :) BUT its also about the other end. at least in the early days, lots of BBS systems (and also commercial "online" services) didnt have color, nor graphics. it was all about green 7bit terminals :=)
2018-01-26 01:15
hollowman

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 468
Quote: I think everybody is right, for once! :-)

It makes sense that on BBSs it would mean Colour (since everything was characters already). But all C64-terminal software can display colours, right? So it would've been established somewhere else, where there were still monochrome monitors and/or terminal software that didn't support ANSI escape codes. Maybe the original C/G is actually ANSI?

hmm


You dont necessarily call a c64 bbs with a c64.
At least C*Base lets you select between c/g(petscii) and ascii or ansi.
If you call a c64 bbs with an amiga you would select ascii and get monochrome text, if you call the bbs with a c64 you could select c/g and get colourful petscii.

http://allt.jonatanforsberg.net/krams/c64/antidote_cbase_tutori..
2018-01-27 14:20
goto80

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 134
That's a very good point. So then graphics and menus wouldn't just be monochrome, but pretty bland as well without all the special PETSCII chars.

Not only Amiga makes it possible!
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