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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1031 |
timbalamer
this is so yesterdays news, but how the hell is it possible nobody cared to open a thread about this here?
everyone else did!
http://www.pelulamu.net/timbaland/
The Tempest track is here -> http://www.limpninja.com/acidjazz/tempest_acidjazz.mp3
The GRG C64 version is here -> http://www.c64.org/HVSC/VARIOUS/A-F/Blues_Muz/Gallefoss_Glenn/A..
The Furtado track is here -> http://www.limpninja.com/acidjazz/furtado_doit.mp3
You can also see a Youtube video comparing the tracks here -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4KX7SkDe4Q |
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Sander
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 487 |
Jayce... i think you're completely missing the point here.
(and yes, Bastian did pay in the end.) |
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Jayce
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Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 39 |
So elaborate me, what's the real point i seem besides a principal thing i seem to miss?
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1568 |
What Sander said.
Furthermore I want do add that Jayce's comment belongs to a comment thread in YouTube or a Timbaland fan-forum. |
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the_JinX
Registered: May 2006
Posts: 31 |
Using a bits and pieces and samples is one thing..
Ripping a tune in it's entirety is something different.
Not asking permission for use and selling it as your own work (as Timbaland did) is plain illegal.
I'd also like to point to the Remix64 thread about this.
http://www.remix64.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=4157 |
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Jayce
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Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 39 |
Quote: What Sander said.
Furthermore I want do add that Jayce's comment belongs to a comment thread in YouTube or a Timbaland fan-forum.
Why because i question the motivation of the collaborated anger/frustration or was this discussion only meant to shed light on one side of this story?
Common, ripping tunes is older then the road to Methusalem and yet now i strikes a fellow scener we should start a riot?
Ofcourse it's death wrong of Timbaland to rip a song without giving proper credits or a payment, no doubt about that!
Yet i seriously doubt that this is a single incident, it just got more attention then other cases.
Just check this site : http://www.originals.be/eng/main.cfm and be amazed of how many artists get their inspiration some where else :) No sceners to be found in the database, but perhaps someone should notify the author of that website.
(and for the dutch people, try to get a hold of the book Grijsgedraaid by Leo Blokhuis, it's filled with facts and stories about borrowed tunes)
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T.M.R
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Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 749 |
Quote: So elaborate me, what's the real point i seem besides a principal thing i seem to miss?
The attitiude is different; yup, the scene has ripped people off and, whilst in a few cases which i'd argue weren't sceners anyway, money was made for cracked software in some form, the majority of us pretty much used to do it for free. The same is true for demos that stole graphics, code or music from games, the releases themselves were seen as "liberating" the data, making it available for free.
If that seems too holier than thou (and i can see how it would, although i don't feel that way personally) there is also the issue of credit; when a demo uses a soundtrack by Rob Hubbard or a picture by Bob Stevenson, even if that data was ripped and then used without any kind of permission, the original artist is usually credited for his work either in the demo itself or simply by the fact that everyone viewing it knows whose work it is. Timbaland has done the equivalent of ripping the Crazy Comets tune, sticking it in a demo and saying "i made this".
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
For the german speakers (pun intended), here's another article about it on the well reputed IT news site from the Heise Verlag:
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/83835 |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1031 |
Quote: afterall instead of being angry, I'm proud that the scene I'm part of is capable to produce material thats worth to ripp off :) Its also interesting to note that timbaland has a sort of sidcard ;)
totally agree. oh and btw, the sidstation was already identified by many, in a prominent place in his studio.
and jayce, its all about commercial vs non-commercial, creditting the creator vs ripping and calling it your own.
its the same reason why people like wanderer, moskwa tv and crossfire got slated in our precious scene. |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 933 |
I think it is quite hypocrit of the crackers in this thread to suddenly act like good citizens. I understand the difference between commercially ripping off, and ripping for amateur pleasure, still, crackers are helping themselves only, not the producers of the games, nor the developers (if they get any royalties at all, ofcourse), and it's not that they give credit to the original authors that often. I think if Tempest decides to sue, he may consider the fact he is part of a cracking scene doesn't make his case stronger. It is wise of him to elaborate so little on his page about this matter. I personally would think twice before sueing, and most certainly try to keep the gossip as small as possible.
If it is about artistic credits, and not about the money, heck, beat him up. |
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Thunder.Bird
Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 109 |
Cool link, Steppe! Very interesting usercomments and some very (!) usefull links in the comments, as well!! :-)
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/foren/go.shtml?read=1&msg_id=119..
I just ordered the Album "Audion" from Synergy. The Song "Shibolet" was an intention for Rob Hubbard's masterpiece "Master of Magic". You see, this way it had been allright.
In my opinion, Timbaland should at least pay a huge amount of C64 Hardware to GRG ...or something like that ;) |
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