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2007-07-01 19:25
tlr

Registered: Sep 2003
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Vice with support for the C64 DTV.

This has been in the works for a while.

It's not at all complete, but this weekend VICII-DTV support was implemented so several of the released demos run on it. :)

Get it here for a taste:
http://picobay.com/dtv_wiki/index.php?title=DTV_Support_in_VICE

Source code + pre-built win32 binary + preconfigured flash image.
 
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2007-07-02 20:01
tlr

Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1701
"- 1541 seems having problem, use 1541-II as default"
@ian: Ah... I wonder why, it works on a 1541 with the DTV.
Maybe the Exos V3 loader doesn't work in C64 emulation + 1541 in Vice-1.21? Something for groepaz....
2007-07-02 20:05
iAN CooG

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3128
Quote: "- 1541 seems having problem, use 1541-II as default"
@ian: Ah... I wonder why, it works on a 1541 with the DTV.
Maybe the Exos V3 loader doesn't work in C64 emulation + 1541 in Vice-1.21? Something for groepaz....


Confirmed, Exosv3 works only with 1541-II
2007-07-02 20:32
tlr

Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1701
ian: "- PRGs apparentily do not load, always inject PRGs in D64s"

Just saw this. It works here. Did you use x64dtv with the flashrom image from the wiki?
It might be that it doesn't work well with the stock kernal.
2007-07-02 20:53
iAN CooG

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3128
Quote: ian: "- PRGs apparentily do not load, always inject PRGs in D64s"

Just saw this. It works here. Did you use x64dtv with the flashrom image from the wiki?
It might be that it doesn't work well with the stock kernal.


Yes, I got the x64dtv-patch62.exe and dtvrom.bin from there, then press K to select alt version, I think that exiting with X or Q it uses normal C64 Kernal, and it doesn't run any prg, for example HELLODTV.PRG. Injecting in a d64, pressing K and loading from there works.
2007-07-02 21:10
tlr

Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1701
You should do 'X'. It loads the DTV kernal with my patches from kernalpatcher 1.0. 'K' runs peiselulli's kernal which has a 1541 turbo on by default.

EDIT: not "loads". it just uses it. Both kernals are resident in flash.
2007-07-02 21:16
iAN CooG

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3128
Quote: You should do 'X'. It loads the DTV kernal with my patches from kernalpatcher 1.0. 'K' runs peiselulli's kernal which has a 1541 turbo on by default.

EDIT: not "loads". it just uses it. Both kernals are resident in flash.


Weird, with X didn't worked later, now it's ok, both numero_uno.prg and hellodtv.prg
I wonder what did I *really* did :) thanks.
2007-07-03 00:43
Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2804
Quote: It basically means that no one on the VICE team wants to/has the knowledge required to maintain a DTV target.

It can still be maintained separately. When stable enough it can be packaged and released as a full "vice"-style release.



From an earlier mail:

">You are probably aware of the C64DTV device [1]. As this is a C64 with
>some minor changes, would it be possible to add support for this to VICE?

There is no intention to emulate other emulators/simulators."

It's basically a question of principle.

As i'm not a fan of the recent trend of playing around with the DTV instead of further maxing out the real thing, i'm fine with that decision. Just my 2 euro-cents.
2007-07-03 08:13
tlr

Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1701
Quote:
From an earlier mail:

">You are probably aware of the C64DTV device [1]. As this is a C64 with
>some minor changes, would it be possible to add support for this to VICE?

There is no intention to emulate other emulators/simulators."

It's basically a question of principle.

As i'm not a fan of the recent trend of playing around with the DTV instead of further maxing out the real thing, i'm fine with that decision. Just my 2 euro-cents.

I'd prefer calling it a clone or imitation instead, it's gate level hardware after all.
But I respect that principle. It's the decision of the Vice team what they want Vice to be.

Just to clarify: by a "vice"-style release I didn't mean that it was a release by the Vice team itself.
Rather a release by a different group of people of a patched Vice with DTV support. A fork if you will.
2007-07-07 09:19
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Account closed

Registered: Jul 2007
Posts: 7
Quote:
As i'm not a fan of the recent trend of playing around with the DTV instead of further maxing out the real thing, i'm fine with that decision.

Well, not everything is about the scene. There's also nostalgia :-) - there are people out there who'd just like to play their favourite games on such a thing as the C64DTV (and who wouldn't like to carry an old C64 around or simply don't have one). For creating and testing FlashROM images the DTV emulation in VICE is very handy then.
2007-07-07 20:04
iAN CooG

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3128
Just saw there's a new patch64, but no prebuilt win32 binary. I can't see any what's new but probably isn't so important :P
Tried to build it myself - why the diff has .prg extension? :) - followed all the steps, which are the common ones, but make always forces a ./configure recheck ... I'm in a loop and can't figure out what's wrong even by looking at the .status file, probably the error is somewhere but I just can't see it.
I normally built vice from msys and MSVC6/7.1 and never had problems.
So, cutting this off and assuming that who built the patch62 had no problems, can do the same with this one and replace the exe in the wiki page? TIA
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