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64 Forever   [2014]

64 Forever Released by :
Viruz

Release Date :
25 October 2014

Type :
C64 Music

Website :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-FcFbn2Kv4

Released At :
X'2014

Achievements :
C64 Music Competition at X'2014 :  #1

User rating:**********  9.6/10 (58 votes)   See votestatistics
**********  9.9/10 (26 votes) - Public votes only.

Credits :
Code .... Ian Coog of HVSC Crew
Music .... Linus of Camelot, Crest, Resource, Tristar & Red Sector Incorporated, Viruz
Help .... Jammer of EXclusive ON, MultiStyle Labs, Samar Productions


SIDs used in this release :
64 Forever(/MUSICIANS/L/Linus/64_Forever.sid)

Download :
http://csdb.dk/getinternalfile.php/133438/64_Forever.sid (downloads: 1117)
http://csdb.dk/getinternalfile.php/133437/64_Forever.prg (downloads: 534)

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User Comment
Submitted by LMan on 30 June 2015
Then you failed. It clearly sounds like *10* voices. Must downvote.
User Comment
Submitted by Linus on 27 April 2015
That was uncalled for! I went for 12 voices !1 :)
User Comment
Submitted by LMan on 27 April 2015
So damn clever. Totally sounds like 10 voices.
User Comment
Submitted by qbhead on 12 November 2014
There are c64 musicians. There are good c64 musicians. There also are legendary awesome fantastic c64 musicians.

And there's Linus, king to all of them.
User Comment
Submitted by Tim on 11 November 2014
Amazing, awesome, and all that I said already at x :)

Just dropped in to throw in my 10 points into the bucket, and csdb vote on all 27 tunes.

That said, reading the comments just wanted to comment this side note.. I remember a few years back thinking how fucked everyone would be if Linus would set his sound design skills to a slightly more poppy/catchy mainstream taste tune in compo's.. (don't get me wrong, I love the niche in a niche sids you guys have going on the last years) but voila.. number one..

I hate and love all of you guys (writing comments) at the same time! :)

But hell.. batteries recharged at X and I'm seeing this sid scene as the formula one now.. give me a damn seat in the back of the field and at least I'll be able to tell people that I raced amongst gods even though they lapped me 20 times per race :)

Damn.. seriously regret not having an entry for x.. won't happen again :)

Keep pumping out tracks like this!!! :)
User Comment
Submitted by Burglar on 10 November 2014
aka How To Conquer The Music Compo

accessible 4/4, funky basslines, great melodies, exceptional sound work, loads of twists to keep you on your toes throughout and very clear speech on top (cant believe some ppl cant hear that)

and my other 5 stars go to the motherfucking zeidlord :) congrats mate!
User Comment
Submitted by TheRyk on 9 November 2014
Thx randall, will check those out :)
User Comment
Submitted by Randall on 4 November 2014
"between the tune I mentioned and this one I can't think of any tunes pretending digi/synth/samples via tracker."

:o

most notably, Jammer's "Hot Mommas", "HVSC" and "Mr. Marvellous".
Conrad's "Badger Mushroom Snake".
Hein's "Transform" (although i'm not sure if that speech attempt was officially released).
then, my own humble "Bored Teenagers", "Unintelligible Disco" and "Sweet Infection".
and some i managed to forget.
User Comment
Submitted by booker on 4 November 2014
@Psycho, comments compo arrrr!!! \o/

So, speech synth, it has this wow factor the quality very much resembles SAM digi so yeah, but on the other hand, it doesn't surpass it, so it's OK. There's a lot of work involved in it but again, I'm wating for the time when we'll get something which will resemble human voice much more ;) And to be fair we musicans have now code driving methods speeding up on this subject, so we better start using these brains or we'll be far behind sonner than expected ;-)
User Comment
Submitted by TheRyk on 4 November 2014
@Jammer between the tune I mentioned and this one I can't think of any tunes pretending digi/synth/samples via tracker.
@Conrad Why the fuzz: for zeee raztertime!
User Comment
Submitted by Taxim on 4 November 2014
There're not too many c64 tunes that impress me, but this one does. Great job, Linus.
User Comment
Submitted by booker on 4 November 2014
You kidding? =) Ranting and asslicking under #1 compo releases are the best PR drivers ever! And even if I'd do no release or all crap in my life there's still a chance someone will remember me for this week \o/
User Comment
Submitted by Linus on 4 November 2014
Enough comments for a throw away number already! Move on, guys! ;)
User Comment
Submitted by booker on 4 November 2014
@Conrad: Funny, I think I said basically the same to Spider on PM :D

and what Jammer not said :)
User Comment
Submitted by Conrad on 4 November 2014
I honestly don't get all this hyper over the speech stuff, because even though it is there, it makes no sense to me what it is trying to say. I applaud the tune mainly for the bassline/arp and lead work... the "chinka-chinka" effect is just an extra.
User Comment
Submitted by Jammer on 4 November 2014
TheRyk, you've missed couple of tunes inbetween then ;)
User Comment
Submitted by TheRyk on 4 November 2014
what spider sez, though there were a bunch of winner candidates who all deserved #1, this one was most impressive from a coder's perspective, so including 1 respect point also must be voted 10. long time since Agemixer's Freestyler :)
User Comment
Submitted by Linus on 3 November 2014
What Jammer said ;)
User Comment
Submitted by psych858o on 3 November 2014
Linus, my friend, it looks like you entry is going to get biggest amount of comments in the entire history of CSDb :) you rule bro ;)
User Comment
Submitted by Jammer on 3 November 2014
Two channels are enough for most of interesting effects ;) You're overreacting as always ;)
User Comment
Submitted by booker on 3 November 2014
it implicates the snare on three voices is cooler than snare on two voices, which is cooler than a snare on a one voice :)
User Comment
Submitted by CreaMD on 3 November 2014
@booker, and that implicates what?
User Comment
Submitted by booker on 3 November 2014
@Spider, @Creamd - Mr Linus been succesfull in using all three voices for snares, if you haven't notice earlier ;)
User Comment
Submitted by Linus on 3 November 2014
In that case, dear Werner, I would have been fucked! ;) I was the guy who kept screaming for a range of 1-5, btw.
User Comment
Submitted by SaphirJD on 1 November 2014
Damn massive song, respect :D
User Comment
Submitted by booker on 31 October 2014
<self comercial>

@spider, the dual voice chords got a bit larger application than a single beat, you can check VN 57 intro tune for example.No need to rip with siddump, tune source included.

</self_commercial>
User Comment
Submitted by WVL on 31 October 2014
Damn.. what if voting had changed from 1-5 to 1-10 and everyone agreed? ;-)
User Comment
Submitted by Linus on 31 October 2014
Thank you Stein, great meeting you again. Can't get that tab editor thing out of my head. You gotta release that one someday! ;)
User Comment
Submitted by Stein on 31 October 2014
I thought I had commented on this already, but no... I have told you I love your sounds, even the tunes that I don't "get" always put a smile on my face. This one is an instant crowd pleaser, awesome stuff! One of my top-3 at X, certainly. It was great talking to you at the party, I hope it won't be another 4 years until next time.
User Comment
Submitted by CreaMD on 31 October 2014
Jammer, Spider, ... yeah drum in two channels is one of my most favourite tricks ;)
User Comment
Submitted by Stinsen on 31 October 2014
The WTF factor (in the positive sense that is) was really high with this one at the party, that speech is really crisp and the beat is wicked. :D
User Comment
Submitted by Jammer on 31 October 2014
spider-j: Welcome to the secret society of musicians using advanced tricks then ;)
User Comment
Submitted by spider-j on 31 October 2014
After analysing with siddump I have to add that besides the speech synthesis the rest is also very clever arranged. Especially kick drum on two channels is a very good idea for party crowd impressing. And using two channels for real power chords instead of arps also rocks hard (of course only works in that offbeat style). In the parts where you even have that unfiltered bass on third voice you actually use all three voices for stuff people often try to fit into one voice - your approach makes it extremely 'phat'. So thank you, I learned much and got new inspiration!
User Comment
Submitted by Randall on 30 October 2014
even if it was played somewhere in the middle, preceded by a discouraging introduction and faded out halfway - it would still win. a perfect partykiller. brilliant technique (note: no arpeggios) and THIS GROOVE! /o\
User Comment
Submitted by Linus on 29 October 2014
I was talking about the technical approach. I think Agemixer used ringmod instead.
User Comment
Submitted by Jammer on 29 October 2014
You basically need two channels - first for pitch (carrier) and second for formant (modulator). Linus either extended the sound of carrier or double sync-modulated the speech ;)
User Comment
Submitted by ilesj on 29 October 2014
I simply love this speech synthesis thingie in chip music! And yeah, I was thinking exactly what Conrad pointed out. Agemixer has been doing this stuff in 2002-2004. Not to underrate Linus' tune at all - it's great one and a worthy winner! The speech is very clear and understandable in this one, great work. Is it the first time all three channels are used for the speech simulation?
User Comment
Submitted by Jammer on 29 October 2014
Triangle :P
User Comment
Submitted by Jok on 29 October 2014
congrats Linus, well deserved place.
User Comment
Submitted by Conrad on 29 October 2014
Freestyler ;)
User Comment
Submitted by Ole Marius on 29 October 2014
Awesome track, and a well deserved winner.

Nice talking to you, guess the somewhat loud bass didn't turn out to be that big of a problem :)
User Comment
Submitted by Jammer on 29 October 2014
M8s, don't mix porn with art here :P
User Comment
Submitted by booker on 29 October 2014
I mean Hot Mommas :) Hot Mommas
User Comment
Submitted by booker on 29 October 2014
Yes we bowed to and been sucking Jammer's cock since 2007, Hot Mommans, was it first noticeable? My mem is shit.
User Comment
Submitted by Linus on 29 October 2014
All hail The Jammer because he is the one who really developed this kind of approach to speech synth long time ago.
User Comment
Submitted by Jammer on 29 October 2014
Pants would sooner be shat :P But I hope it's You who will prove me wrong ;)
User Comment
Submitted by booker on 29 October 2014
Well, Jammer, I only said it can be done better. And I'm so clever, because... you will prove me right :)
User Comment
Submitted by Jammer on 29 October 2014
Ok, time for a compo who's going to do better and more comprehensible speech synthesis in regular editor with 1x speed ;) You, guys, are so clever ;)
User Comment
Submitted by BokanoiD on 29 October 2014
Heh, I fucking love this tune. It probably would've won the compo even without the speech synthesis, which is indeed impressive, but not very listenable IMHO.
User Comment
Submitted by Linus on 28 October 2014
Thanks, guys!

Dr. J: There are no digis involved at all, just pure sid programming in single speed - that is actually the technical main attraction here ;)
User Comment
Submitted by Dr.j on 28 October 2014
c64 forever with this fabelous tune 10/10 Linus ! just little thing which i think
that the digi speech (which is a very cool idea as general) don't sound very quality and i would maybe cut it from the tune or release another tune without the speech. but again : A worthing winning tune and excellent execution
User Comment
Submitted by booker on 28 October 2014
I've heard only one tune before the compo and it was Linus's. Guys have seen me dancing like an idiot but only I knew it will be a winner :) If I would do it - I would do every note exactly the same. Maybe the pick on JT lead theme sounds too rushed and you could spend few hours more at the party to polish it (btw. I always have a mini midi keyboard with me ;P ) but who cares! :) The spech synth can be done better (with the music editor and 1 frame) but what's more important (to me) is you continue to develop "the waterless" approach above dual tone, and this is one of the main developments to notice. Besides that, the groove and all is just fucking cool :D 11/10
User Comment
Submitted by Kristian on 27 October 2014
Sounded awesome at the party and a worthy winner. That speech-thingy is just awesome!
User Comment
Submitted by spider-j on 27 October 2014
speech synthesis in a tracker \o/ + a nice straight-forward 4/4 earpleasing, pop-like composition. Deserved winner!
User Comment
Submitted by DRAX on 27 October 2014
Amazing ;)
User Comment
Submitted by 6R6 on 27 October 2014
This is great Linus!
User Comment
Submitted by iLKke on 27 October 2014
ehh I feel the speech doesn't sit well with the track at all.
Do like the melody bits tho
User Comment
Submitted by Conrad on 26 October 2014
Sascha... you, BAR-STARD ! :D ... one of the best highlights of the party, hands down!
User Comment
Submitted by psych858o on 26 October 2014
You have heard enough from my side :)
Just one more word left untold - Respect!
User Comment
Submitted by Linus on 26 October 2014
Oh dear Fanti, *if* there is a way to make it better in single speed without using samples I certainly wanna hear it :) Also, I would have prefered you to get fucked, too. Where have you been, man? Missed you. Hugs :)
User Comment
Submitted by Fanta on 26 October 2014
can i downvote this please? nah, my fav from the compo. finally you made it, well deserved. catchy in every way, slick sounddesign and some non-usual moments made this an instant winner - and randall got fucked, yeah! ;-P

if i may pick a downside... i didn't recognize the speech synth to actually say something until someone wrote about it. so... next time do it better dude. :-D :-* "ever" is more or less swallowed...
User Comment
Submitted by Lamb on 26 October 2014
Except for the extraordinary beginning and vocalizations, the instrument work is similar to '8580 Doped Pigs'.
User Comment
Submitted by ЯOBOBIRD on 26 October 2014
Instant classic, a playlist material <3
User Comment
Submitted by N3XU5 on 26 October 2014
very great tune!!! :D
User Comment
Submitted by The Syndrom on 26 October 2014
incredible! would you mind explaining how you achieved the speech ?
User Comment
Submitted by Jammer on 26 October 2014
OMG, you did it. Modified speech part is just unbelievable! Roman, impossible that you don't hear 'sixty foooour!' :D A real killer tune, me bows down.
User Comment
Submitted by Elder0010 on 26 October 2014
Forever!!!!
User Comment
Submitted by FATFrost on 26 October 2014
Amazing work here little bro... Wow... I knew you would win with this fine tune... Is there anything lehft ? ;^)
User Comment
Submitted by Oswald on 26 October 2014
yeah baby ! :)
User Comment
Submitted by Axis on 26 October 2014
Fantastic --- 10/10
User Comment
Submitted by Yogibear on 26 October 2014
Great tune with lovely melodies!
User Comment
Submitted by CreaMD on 26 October 2014
And after second loop I must change my vote to 10, coz those final parts are just too good to be valued onnly with 9 from me. Straight ten, mate!
User Comment
Submitted by CreaMD on 26 October 2014
Not fan of uncomprehensible speech-like effects (coz everyone uses them and I don't coz coudln't get my ass to learn the technique of course.. ;) but the luxurious fat beat and clever arrange makes this tune a worth relistening.
User Comment
Submitted by celticdesign on 25 October 2014
Just w0w
User Comment
Submitted by Duck LaRock on 25 October 2014
WICKED!
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