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Another Beginning   [2010]

Another Beginning Released by :
Offence [web], Prosonix

Release Date :
3 October 2010

Type :
C64 Demo

AKA :
We Are Old ;-)

Released At :
X'2010

Achievements :
C64 Demo Competition at X'2010 :  #1

User rating:*********_  9/10 (94 votes)   See votestatistics
*********_  9.2/10 (45 votes) - Public votes only.

Credits :
Code .... Bjørn Røstøen of Offence, Panoramic Designs
  Killsquad of Offence
  Kribust of Offence
  Lowboy of Killers, Offence
  Olav Mørkrid of Offence, Panoramic Designs
  Perplex of Offence
  Stein Pedersen of Offence, Panoramic Designs, Prosonix
Music .... Kribust of Offence
  Olav Mørkrid of Offence, Panoramic Designs
  Ole Marius Pettersen of Prosonix
  Stein Pedersen of Offence, Panoramic Designs, Prosonix
Graphics .... Bjørn Røstøen of Offence, Panoramic Designs
  Kribust of Offence
  Pal of Offence
Design .... Bjørn Røstøen of Offence, Panoramic Designs
  Killsquad of Offence
  Kribust of Offence
  Olav Mørkrid of Offence, Panoramic Designs
  Pal of Offence
  Perplex of Offence
  Stein Pedersen of Offence, Panoramic Designs, Prosonix
Idea .... Bjørn Røstøen of Offence, Panoramic Designs
  Killsquad of Offence
  Kribust of Offence
  Olav Mørkrid of Offence, Panoramic Designs
  Pal of Offence
  Perplex of Offence
  Stein Pedersen of Offence, Panoramic Designs, Prosonix
Charset .... Pal of Offence
  Stein Pedersen of Offence, Panoramic Designs, Prosonix
Loader .... Krill of Plush


SIDs used in this release :
Coder's Nightmare(/MUSICIANS/K/Kribust/Coders_Nightmare.sid)
Disco(/MUSICIANS/K/Kribust/Disco.sid)
Fawn of Creation(/MUSICIANS/P/Prosonix/Pettersen_Ole_Marius/Fawn_of_Creation.sid)
Greenhouse(/MUSICIANS/P/Prosonix/Pettersen_Ole_Marius/Greenhouse.sid)
Harlequin(/MUSICIANS/P/Prosonix/Pettersen_Ole_Marius/Harlequin.sid)
Industrial Snow(/MUSICIANS/P/Prosonix/Pettersen_Ole_Marius/Industrial_Snow.sid)
Jakob's Lullaby(/MUSICIANS/P/Prosonix/Pedersen_Stein/Jakobs_Lullaby.sid)
Level 1(/MUSICIANS/P/Prosonix/Pettersen_Ole_Marius/Level_1.sid)
Merkelig(/MUSICIANS/P/Prosonix/Merkelig.sid)
Sideborder(/MUSICIANS/K/Kribust/Sideborder.sid)
Spaceship Cleopatra(/MUSICIANS/P/Prosonix/Pedersen_Stein/Spaceship_Cleopatra.sid)
Teltale(/MUSICIANS/P/Prosonix/Pedersen_Stein/Teltale.sid)
Twilight(/MUSICIANS/M/Moerkrid_Olav/Twilight.sid)

Download :
http://csdb.dk/getinternalfile.php/92106/offence-anotherbeginning.zip (downloads: 3957)
ftp://ftp.scs-trc.net/pub/c64/Party/2010/X/Another_Beginning.zip (downloads: 692)

Look for downloads on external sites:
 Pokefinder.org


User Comment
Submitted by PAL on 23 July 2016
PS> the cool thing is that we had seen these demos by booze design and that inspired us to do demos again....

Cycle

When I saw this one I guess it was several years after it was out it was just a insane opening in mind... thanx all of you doing this demo... it is one of your best til date!
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Submitted by PAL on 23 July 2016
I am dazzled by this demo - 19 years of doing nothing on the c64 and we did this one... It is the epic demo of us, or at least from me... we just created a insane demo and why did we do that? Because we wanted to be back on the c64. We have got so many e-mails and pm on this demo from all of you and that was what made us create more demos... Thanx for all your love - I PAL really can not imagine a better demo than this from what we lived with that and what I really feel when I see it today. Another time another place or same or whatever will be great.

Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAgPY0ucHJc

Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gk0KzkW5Ko

Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdizFkv7omw
User Comment
Submitted by Flex on 23 April 2014
Another comment on this one.. You guys in Offence truly made a comeback of all-time with this one.. the history after this demo has certainly proved it. Great code and great graphics but the music still blows me away. Seems like this one collected all the best from Prosonix from a long period of time... love everything in this.
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Submitted by Sith on 25 March 2014
The opening LN twister is simply gorgeous. I also love the joystick part and how pic transitions take place. Not bad at all after such hibernation. :)
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Submitted by Mr. SID on 17 April 2013
@PAL: Isn't that what Ziphoid is doing already?
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Submitted by PAL on 17 April 2013
Fatfrost, i had to look at the film live from x again and man it is so cool ... arrangers of parties, can`t we make films like the one on youtube from x2010 everytime, just a camera pointing on the big screen recording the compos with the live crowd and all... it is so special... i find these recordings from the demos on x2010 the best of the scene in a way... not just our demo but all... it is so cool to look back at! We should make this for the lcp and DS and all... We can even put some money in a special account and buy a great camera all of us, everyone put in 5 euros in a way? and we ask if someone wants to have this responsibility? I think that is a cool idea!
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Submitted by FATFrost on 17 April 2013
@Pal, i was sat next to you at x2012 and you were there finishing it.. haha.... i remember i kept asking Perplex for advice while he was scoffing his potato chips and doing some cross dev stuff... funny really as if i knew his other handle was Challenger i would have been even more impressed.... pity i didn't have internets at the party place to check teh famez of all peeps... ;/
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Submitted by Mr. Sex on 6 December 2012
What could I say? Absolutely stunning demo. IMHO best ever soundtrack & impressive coding and art skills included!
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Submitted by Motion on 11 November 2012
Every time I gaze into those eyes, I think, "Make it so!" and "Tea, Earl Grey: hot". A totally beautiful demo guys, your hard work shines through!
User Comment
Submitted by PAL on 3 April 2012
geir... I want to be batman, and as you say you can be robin... and together we can roam the dark streets of oslo... please come to next meltdown...
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Submitted by PAL on 5 March 2012
We will come to X2012 with a demo and we will not sit at X finishing it! We will parteeeeyyy with you all!
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Submitted by SplAtterpunk on 29 January 2012
Stein ;) Sorry everyone, my mistake, I have no idea how I have managed to post it here. Now moving my post to the proper demo's wall.
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Submitted by Stein on 29 January 2012
@Splatter: Is there a popcorn part in this one too? I must have been drunk... :)
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Submitted by Geir on 28 January 2012
Du Pål, hvis vi skal på karneval en dag å kle oss ut som Batman og Robin, så skal du få være Batman. Så mye betyr du for meg. Hehehe. ;)
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Submitted by PAL on 3 January 2012
It is not a bug, it is a feature as we just think you at that point has seen and listened too much of that part... we just wanted you to feel so much pain so that you eventually will press space...
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Submitted by WVL on 21 July 2011
What's up with the tune in the part with that Joker holding up a card picture? After a couple of minutes it totally goes bonkers.. Is the sid damaged or is this how it's supposed to be? (I mean the Industrial Snow sid). (testing it again, the .sid here sounds OK, it just seems to go wrong in the demo itself?)
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Submitted by PAL on 21 June 2011
The love force (offence) will be at LCP... we will bring something: pure love and happy thoughts!

We just love the response to the Another Beginning demo that we used so much time on creating for us and you, to be on the top 10 list is for us magical.

I guess we have to start on another X beginning demo because that is more in our time frame... one year from now we can deliver a good demo again... I promise you all that!

Hope you have the best time, and hope to meet a lot of you at LCP even that we can not give you a large scale demo...

Celtic: Thanx, those words do count heavy in my book... Why? Because I really used so much time on that graphics... I meen one can do a picture in one or two to tree days, but the graphics and thoughts put into that demo were massive, I think some of you really got that, from the effort and emotion and text and music and splendid code and all.. we are so proud of AB.... we want to create something as good but even better in the future... we just have to make it in a way, we have to...

PS: I still think the scroller designed by me and stein is one of the best programmed and designed demo parts on the c64 ever! Hope you all have seen that instead of just thinking that is a good looking scroller... it is THE best scroller so far in my mind!
User Comment
Submitted by booker on 4 April 2011
8-D
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Submitted by Celtic on 23 March 2011
@PAL: i think i will come back to it for years to come. Know that this demo with your awesome gfx was a big inspiration in starting to do more pixels again! awesome stuff here!
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Submitted by PAL on 23 March 2011
I would also like to mention that there are parts in this demo that holds some true c64 code magic, even one do not spot it at first maybe, and I really hope all the different moods of the demo parts make you come back to it over and over again in years to come... We all have different favourite parts in this one, and that is really something that I am so proud of... We are so proud of our smal come-back-to-the-scene after 19 years demo...
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Submitted by The Shadow on 21 March 2011
This demo is outstanding :)
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Submitted by Ole Marius on 4 February 2011
Those are really nice comments. Thanks a lot :)
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Submitted by Groepaz on 29 January 2011
i just had to look up those downvoters and then laughed hard :o) how wrong some people can be ... =)

whatever, not my personal #1 from this compo, but certainly a deserved winner. and i still demand mahoney and sounddemon having babies and then i want to see what they'll produce :o)
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Submitted by da1ezy on 29 January 2011
that's one mixed bag of plain awesomeness blended with utter greatness. and i'm mostly talking of the soundtrack here, as i think i'm able to judge that part at best. ole and stein managed to put a lot of soul and heartblood into the tunes, in a way that i exclusively remember drax doing until some 2-3 years ago.
the great load of parts and nicely sculped pictures just makes me guess how long last year's x party's demo compo really lasted. also kudos for giving heath ledger his due tribute. :)
way to go lads, the future is bright!
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Submitted by PAL on 28 January 2011
Thanx... that youtube video roxxez... one can really listen to all the music and look at the graphics and read all the text... cool... thanx again... What do you use to grab it in such a high quality?
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Submitted by lemming on 23 January 2011
Here's a nice little 49min youtubization of this magic demo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzvqyKdaW0k .. which imho is the minimum amount of time anyone should spend watching this!
PAL: This demo is 10+/10, just ignore the haters.
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Submitted by Wile Coyote on 22 January 2011
Watched this demo again today, for the 1st time since the compo. My thoughts on the demo have gone up. It really is a good demo. The screen with the guy leaning against was wall while it rains outside works particularly well. It also took me back to a discussion here on CSDb on rain FX.
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Submitted by SanderFocus on 21 January 2011
One of the few demos i return to often. Especially for the music and some excellent screens. My favorite part is definitely the balls+triangles part… That's just too beautiful. Did i mention the music? Can't remember a demo with such high quantity and quality in music - only Dutch Breeze.
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Submitted by PAL on 19 January 2011
I am not grumpy over this anymore I just find it absolutely irretating and silly... he he...

I LOVE IT! Hail to slay radio and all we love!
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Submitted by Yazoo on 19 January 2011
pal - dont be too grumpy. its usual tactics on csdb from some ppl... votes dont matter much. you won that compo and you know most ppl love your demo... its just someone who voted you down.
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Submitted by PAL on 19 January 2011
Thanx for the vote of 2 for our demo, who ever you are, you made the demo fall from the 7th place to the 13th on the list of great demos. I hope you are happy and I would like to see a demo from you, because it must be some true brilliance in them...

I pray for you to have a nice time here on this forum together with people trying to create good stuff for all members of the scene. We all want there to be better demos in the future, thanx again for the vote, it is really inspiering and good.
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Submitted by PAL on 27 November 2010
I looked at the demo we created again today (have not seen it since x) ... I had today a lot of time and I looked at all parts for a long time. To me this is one of the best demos that I can look at... There would be different opinions from others, but I am so proud of this demo. The fact that we did this influence my thoughts, but proud of all the graphics, music and code and ideas and design I am, yoda say ;-) ...

Hope you all see the splendor in this as I do, because I think it is one of the best ever, for me that is, that is really something, that is unique. Others find this less or as great but for me this is truly something special. I could never have designed or made this demo possible without the effort of the offence members and their insane dedication, we really could not have created a better demo at this moment in time.

We hope the scene on the commodore will live on as we sure do not plan to die soon. We want the scene to blossom and be even greater, in order to reach that we all have to create original, super or massive productions in the future.

We in offence really love the scene and we hope the scene loves us too....

ooohhhh.... what a good feeling it was watching this today... proud I am....

Thanx for all the comments and let us meet again on a party soon... competition pro it is...
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Submitted by hedning on 24 November 2010
This demo is great! A perfect 10/10. More spacebar-demos for the people - the scrolltexts must live on. Keep it up, Offence.
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Submitted by e5frog on 17 November 2010
Many impressive little details, this demo deserves several runs.
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Submitted by Sledge on 16 November 2010
The quality of this demos is simply stunning! It's a fresh feel all over it, and it looks so fantastic. So worth a 10 out of 10!!!!
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Submitted by Perplex on 8 November 2010
The 1541u problem has been identified and should be fixed in the next firmware upgrade. We have a patched version of the demo to work around the problem, but haven't uploaded it yet due to lack of round tuits and general lazyness. Send me a PM if you want a copy and just can't wait for the next firmware to be released.
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Submitted by Tfardy on 7 November 2010
Does not recognize diskchange on 1541-ultimate :( will it be fixed ? I can only watch the 1st disk...
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Submitted by PAL on 1 November 2010
Madcrow: thanx for the tips and comments...
Veto: I really hope you liked it that much... speak later dude.
User Comment
Submitted by madcrow on 1 November 2010
A decent semi-oldschool release, with some nice effects and some nice graphics. Still, it does nothing to really push the platform forward, so it's hard to decide what to think about it.
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Submitted by v3to on 31 October 2010
wonderful demo. and for me the one with the most long term appeal in the compo. actually i like this old style feeling, the amount of different parts and high quality mc gfx. my favourite parts are the egyptian tunnel and the petscii-sprite layer mix that shows the love in the project. well done guys. you really deserve your place.
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Submitted by PAL on 27 October 2010
Conrad: I just find it silly... because if you watch c64 demos in 2010 and you do not see the work put into something like this I really can not understand why one looks at c64 stuff at all.. It is not like the c64 is the future of computing, so it must be something else that is interesting on this platform... right? well.. As I said, I do not really care but man it is annoying... I created this for me and we all did it for us... Now I will go and downvote the gollum SIT image on here because I do not like grey images... I will also downvote mahoney as the sample were not crystal clear all the time during his presentation... I will also do a massive downvote on the splendid demo from fairlight because they did not have one single press space part... (thanx for the comment on pouet Hollowman, it really warmed my heart!)ha ha... insane in the membrane it is!

Well off to place some pixels...
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Submitted by Conrad on 27 October 2010
I appreciate what you're saying about the downvotes PAL. But what we need to remember also is that not everyone was brought up on oldskool demos, as well as not experiencing the true impact they had during the 80s and early 90s. Although this demo does have some messages to the world, sceners who prefer storylines over technical viewing would not instinctively vote 10.

In any case, don't beat yourselves up over these CSDb downvotes. You should be proud of this #1 place, because that is what the 250+ people voted for at the actual demoparty. Votes on CSDb are a minority from the whole C64 scene, because not all 250+ of those party people visit this site. Not to forget that CSDb votes are also submitted by those who never go to parties or have zero historical knowledge of the real scene.

Remember:
Party votes > CSDb votes
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Submitted by PAL on 27 October 2010
Thanx Geir. I also think it is really strange to vote a 4,5, or 6 for this demo. In the history of the c64 this is a lot better than the most compared to most of the demos released. Workload, ideas, graphics, music and code it is insane to vote that way. That is why we do not care about it any more, the c64 scene is really strange this way, only 70+ people voted on this demo while there were 250+ people at X alone, people traveling from all across the world to be part of something we think is special, weird and cool. They can travel to x but not get their act together and vote for great stuff on this forum that is right on here 24/7... vote for the great demos that were at x...

It is really a shame, in hours we worked on this demo we could have developed a fullblown commercial product instead, it is just that massive... just like fairlight and booze and the others I guess we really think about the time put into this. As long as it is really fun to do it is ok I guess, but man it is annoying that down votes and anti-love is being strong in this forum as we are all the same, something almost distinguished...

To create stuff on the c64 in the year 2010 is strange and people involved in this strange movement should really cherish the massive work load that some do to keep the scene alive.

If no-one do big and really good productions, the c64 scene will have no life. I am so sure of that when one do think about the time it takes to do something really good on this machine.

I think Luie said some wonderful words on the end part in we are new, that is what it is all about... the struggle to be happy about what we create and the struggle to reach a very high level for the hardware and all involved. I also tried to put something in the same meaning in the text of the epic part. This takes so much time and to do it good it is almost too much.

I started on the part design and ideas and graphics for this demo two years ago. And from that time on we coded, got to know the stuff again and really composed a lot of cool music and designs and ideas, I think the others also used a lot of time on their demos.

I salute the stayers and the ones that are truly in love with the trade of the c64, it is hard and just maybe we all will create something big again, if it is worth while also for others. I could do a demo just for myself, but man it is inspirational if people step forward and give the love for it too...

Like Jak T Rip said below: Thanx man I really feel the same and some other very respected artists have sent me pm s where they say that it were very great and so on, we have to step out and give it to all I guess... I am so amazed by the code thet the other members in offence and the music they did and all that work... The same to the other demos at X that were great... we all did something wonderful at X... we did it all of us, for what? just for love and fun!
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Submitted by Geir on 25 October 2010
Looking at the recent votes?! What an insult to the authors! There's always idiots lurking around, it doesn't amaze me. Jelousy most probably, just a guess.

Edit:
PAL, if I knew who they were, I'd play Barne_Sang.SID so loud that they'd beg for mercy.
User Comment
Submitted by Hydrogen on 18 October 2010
Brillant soundtrack (Prosonix style... yeah:))
Great design and some killer graphics (especially the man silhouette in front of the tower's window)
Original effects (bouncing balls, turn disc part, diagonal scroller.)
End part is so sweet:)

Gratz...
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Submitted by PAL on 12 October 2010
Thanx. It was a hard struggle to get most of the ideas and graphics for parts to reach a high standard and I am very proud of the demo as it turned out good. OMP, Stein, olav and kriburst really put the final touch on this by doing splendid music for all parts... Guess we just have to struggle some more and do another demo in the future then... - HURZ!!
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Submitted by Jak T Rip on 10 October 2010
You have really stunned everyone with this new beginning. Thanks guys!

PAL: I think, in a way YOU have won the graphics compo!! Your graphics are an important part of the demo and even though I love all those new gfx styles as well, pure multicolour bitmap is still my all time favourite mode (and will never be achieved by any other computer, too. It is *so* C64!)

all others: thanks for the fresh ideas, nice style and the tons of really good musics!
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Submitted by camper on 8 October 2010
I really enjoyed it on bigscreen!

could anybody rip the "moskau" tune? i love it so much...
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Submitted by Tim on 7 October 2010
thumbs up, great demo! look forward to see and hear more from you guys!
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Submitted by Domey on 7 October 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJj6d5QSYaE
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Submitted by DeeKay on 7 October 2010
I feel, with all the enthusiasm about spacebar demos, someone should mention that for quite some time, even though being a relatively newskool group Abyss Connection has upheld that fine old tradition, also regarding oldskool design! ;-) Not trying to downplay Offence's efforts, like said earlier I really love Another Beginning, I just feel that AC's work in general is a bit underappreciated...
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Submitted by Yazoo on 6 October 2010
what can i say... stein is absolutely right. this brought back vibes from the past in a very good way (and also feels fresh somehow)... very nice graphics and music. also the code is nice in most of the parts. congrats
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Submitted by Perplex on 6 October 2010
Thanks for all the nice comments! We were quite anxious about how people would react to this kind of demo in 2010, in a time where most spacebars are just sitting there, untouched by human hands. This is however how we ourselves prefer to watch demos, being in charge of how long each effect stays on the screen, how long each sweet melody flows out of the SID to give us goosebumps. Not to everybody's taste, we know, but we wanted to make the kind of demo WE wished to see. Obviously we are really happy to see comments and votes indicating that we're hardly alone in this. Thanks!
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Submitted by booker on 6 October 2010
\o/

And even pres-space which was a bit too-old-skool for me is just simply charming in this one!

Happy you guys told me this is not just a one-off!!! I gotta get me a proper long stick for the new one -- will gladly get it to sit back and enjoy your new prods on the biggie telly!
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Submitted by Stein on 6 October 2010
@HCL: If it's any consolation, we had not expected to win either. If I thought we'd have a chance, I wouldn't have gone to sleep before the awards ceremony :) To be honest, I think we won because our demo struck a nostalgic vibe or something that seemed to hit home right there and then. I think there's no way we can win with a demo like this again. So we'll also have to sharpen our knives for future compos ;-)
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Submitted by HCL on 6 October 2010
This is definitely a step in another direction from what used to be a certain compo winner. It brings back the feelings from watching old Panoramic demos, but with modern design and art. We have been waiting for this kind of demo for a too long time!

I'm happy for the fact that Norway finally strikes back, and that you do it in your own way. After the compo i got the impression from people i spoke to, that the fight was between FLT and ItcBd. You got us both there :D.
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Submitted by Valsary on 6 October 2010
The amount of excellent graphics in this one is simply mindblowing. I just want to watch it more and more.
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Submitted by Lowboy on 6 October 2010
Thank you everyone for kind words, the words from PAL calling 05.00 in the morning:
We won! and the exitement in his voice :) i will never forget that moment!

This has been hard work, new friends, and they joy i once had coding on the c64
20 years ago, was all coming back. Thank you Stein for calling me in 2009
and inviting me to code on a demo once again!

And PAL with his entusiasm just makes everyone perform one notch better.
You are an inspiration to us all!

Rest assured, this is not the last time you will "press space"


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Submitted by BHF on 6 October 2010
Awesome demo, It deserved to win. Press space :D
Congrats to my fellow Norwegian friends and to all c64 lovers.

The Party was a blast ! :)
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Submitted by daison on 5 October 2010
I was surprised this won, but understood this even much so.
It was the have-some-scene-fun-vibe that made this one stand out, as well as the number of original effects.

I hope you are here to stay now! ;)

LOVE it.
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Submitted by Merman on 5 October 2010
Some very clever effects, particularly the weave scroller and the bit that looks the "Seven Nation Army" video...
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Submitted by Geir on 5 October 2010
I love it! Absolutely well deserved to win. It wasn't produced by winning in mind at all. Pure love and passion, straight from the heart. Also nice to see the demo carries the name from my worktitle of the Artillery tune that was intended to be used on the border picture.
I enjoyed the stay in Amsterdam and at X with you guys. And nice meeting you for the first time Ole Marius. Some great and wicked tunes in here.
A special twicer greetings to PAL!
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Submitted by Ole Marius on 5 October 2010
Thanks for all the positive feedback! Making this was a journey - countless hours has gone into producing it, slowly crawling towards what seemed like an eternity away - the deadline… and going to the party itself.

It was a great experience, and I had a wicked time staying at the party. It would never have happened if it wasn't for PAL's enthusiasm and hard work - so as Stein said: We love you PAL! And all you other Offenders too! What an awesome trip! :D

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Submitted by Optimus on 5 October 2010
I was amazed that such a good "press space" demo would be released in 2010 and win this compo. I guess it's because of the ideas, the wonderful graphics and feelings. It really reminds me of some oldies of the same style, where they still caught your attention without being trackmos.

I admit I gotta see this again on the real thing on my own pace to fully appreciate, because I was looking at it in a haste on an emulator and pressing space frantically :P

But still I loved some screens like that screen with sad text and rain just for the feelings. Also I loved how that joystick moves, good idea. The first twister was nice too. This is a demo where you lay back and enjoy in your spare time without the fuzz of "gimme next demo" to consume.
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Submitted by 6R6 on 4 October 2010
I Love it! Lovely graphics from PAL. And the music from Ole Marius and Stein is marvelous. It felt great to be Norwegian when the demo was shown at X-2010. :D
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Submitted by Clarence on 4 October 2010
What a massive comeback megademo! Technically or flow wise there were better entries, but this one oozes the right spirit and creativity I like. For me the most entertaining entry of x2010. I love especially the screen with the bald guy, the ball collision stuff and the lovely isometric dycp. These parts have the best music as well for my taste, Stein Pedersen still knows how to compose!
Special thanks for bringing back the experience of Panoramic Designs style once again.

Keep on doing demos! :)
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Submitted by Ed on 4 October 2010
Top notch!
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Submitted by Sir Garbagetruck on 4 October 2010
So this is probably the #1 reason I am now, instead of taking a nap after returning home, unable to take a nap. I keep thinking about coding on c64.

And I thought 'press space' demos would never be this good. But, hey, I'm wrong about stuff on c64 a lot (:
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Submitted by Raf on 4 October 2010
very nice music as in old prosonix stuff.
Does this #1 place mean there will be many classic demos again? ;) honestly, there were overall better demos than this one ;) ?too much ganja error
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Submitted by Morpheus on 4 October 2010
It's fantastic to see these two teams back again! I love the eye/growing triangles/ball part, the wobbling isometric scroller and the end part. Really, really nice! But I feel something is missing when I look at some of the parts, like there should be a scroller there or more variations of the effects presented. The joystick part was a cool idea, but could have been so much more.

Before I risk a war with the whole Norwegian scene again, it's as I said really nice to have you guys back. Look forward to the next one. Great music! Well done Pal on all the pixel-pushing!
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Submitted by Xiny6581 on 4 October 2010
This demo is all about respect and a total way to speak what the Oldskool Demoscene is all about! Yes yes yes :)
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Submitted by PAL on 4 October 2010
It was fun to have a demo in the top 5 at X2010(the world championship in commodore). And to win the whole lot were just fantastic...

We can create a better demo or we can fail? The thing that is remarkable with this is that we after 18 years did create a demo at all, and it were great.

In the hall people were all excited and to be sitting up there and pressing space in the right places worked great. Me and Zaphod felt we spread love, the crowd did love it. In the compo I think our demo were magical.

Thanx for all the feedback and all, and thanx for a super time at X2010...

Greetings to all...

PS: stein, with love one can do magical stuff, we did it! All of us, together!
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Submitted by Conrad on 4 October 2010
Best oldschool demo ever made in this century!
It is also brilliant that Prosonix are back with new music! I think this definitely deserved a #1! Though I equally liked a lot of the other demos at X'2010 as well!
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Submitted by Skate on 4 October 2010
Let's make something clear. This was the deserved winner of X'2010. But technicially this should have been placed 4th or 5th. Why did this demo won? Because after the compos were over, we tried the remember the highlight effects of the whole demo compo together with Norvax, Endo and Hydrogen. Most of the effects were from Another Beginning. So, they managed to make the most memorable effects and win the compo.

P.S: I didn't vote at X.
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Submitted by Paul Bearer on 4 October 2010
Gotta love the Finnish dance instructor. (And everything else)
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Submitted by Norvax on 4 October 2010
Huge demo with lots and lots of effects combined with excellent musics and graphics. The amount of effort at the background should be enourmous. Respect! Also I should say that I agree with Axis.
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Submitted by Axis/Oxyron on 4 October 2010
First of all, its great to have you guys back. Concerning the demo my mind is a bit split. I really like some of the screens that feel fresh, like the logotwister or that isometric dycp. On the other hand theres that spacebar megademo thing which i totally dislike. Its perhaps me, because i´m spoiled with all that perfect 100% styled and smooth trackmos released lately. I have to watch some old demos to align myself with that oldschool style again. I´m looking forward to your next production.
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Submitted by Stein on 4 October 2010
Thanks for all your kind comments! Many of you experienced PAL's enthusiasm at the party and that was the enthusiasm that brought us all back and kept us going. LOVE YOU PAL! As for the critisism that the demo has too many parts or is uneven, all I can say is: We didn't create this demo to win a compo, it was a community effort all along and we decided for better or worse to include all the parts that got finished. A special thanks goes to the transfer team at the party who gave us floppy disks and transferred the demo!
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Submitted by Archmage on 4 October 2010
Congratulations to PAL and the rest of my fellow Norwegians on this very nice demo. It really shows that a lot of effort has been put into this, and I am happy for you guys. I find myself liking some screens a lot, especially the interweaving scrollers, the guy who follows the scroller with his eyes, the Egyptian ballbouncing part, the end part and my favourite - the isometric scroller. Good gfx and music throughout of course. My main criticism is that I think it would have been an even better demo if you had shaved it down quite a bit, and as I am a total n00b I find the space bar pressing really distracting and disruptive. That said, a very enjoyable demo, and I am really looking forward to following your stuff in the future. Way to go, Offence and Prosonix! :)
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Submitted by Slator on 4 October 2010
After seeing Emotional breakdown live beeing shown at a party, this was another masterpiece. After all those years you didn't loose your way of doing a beautiful piece of art. In every concern I loved watching this demo, it has got nice code, truly awesome gfx and brilliant musics. Actually I enjoyed the press spacebar thing, the not being 120% and cyclecorrect transition trackmo thing makes a lot of that feeling of being young again. Nowadays demos seem too well polished. It really made me feel like being in the early 90ies, where most of us fell in love with this machine and had hell of fun doing stuff. For me the best thing at the party was at the pricegiving, when pal jumped around like a 4 year old getting his beloved teddybear after winning the compo. Those were true emotions, I thank you for that, you really deserved to win as it reminds on our roots alot. I guess jeff's gesture at the pricegiving stands for what this is all about....
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Submitted by Shadow on 4 October 2010
I must say that I was a bit surprised that this won, I would personally put both 2nd and 3rd place finisher before this one.
Still, it has some very nice parts!
However, I think it was a bit uneven in quality, some parts were great, some not so.
Also some parts I felt really fit in with the oldschool press-space theme (scrollers!!!) but others felt more like they would have fit into a trackmo and I sat there thinking "Hmm... should I press space now, or is something more supposed to happen?"
Anyway, a good comeback demo, always nice to see people returning to the C64, and the isometric scroller ruled bigtime!
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Submitted by Stainless Steel on 4 October 2010
Press Space. Oldschool i love it :-D I really wanted to meet the Prosonix guys but i was just too wasted.
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Submitted by Isildur on 4 October 2010
O Kurwa too :)
Music is f*****g masterpiece
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Submitted by Testa on 4 October 2010
more!, more!, this is great stuff, each tune is a masterpiece of his own..
the whole flow of the demo is creative.. very nice to see a space-bar again... this one goes into my collection... good work...
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Submitted by Mr. Mouse on 4 October 2010
Having already said so below that the music is fantastic, after listening again, I just wanted to stress this once more. To me, this sets another musical standard and that alone is reason enough why this demo should win. It makes the "usual suspects" sound particularly same-ish and dull. No Offence guys ;)
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Submitted by Viscid on 4 October 2010
Offence always had their own style... I really like to see em' back on track. After watching it I missed some of the old sampleparts but there are a lot of new ideas and love inside so what else to say... you made my day.
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Submitted by Radiant on 4 October 2010
I felt it lacked some better transitions between the parts, like in Sonic by Triumwyrat or Royal Arte by Booze Design, which both are better designed and put together IMHO. But even my newschool heart must admit it's very touching to see Offence (and Panoramic) active again, and I absolutely loved some of the screens. Not my personal winner though, but I guess I don't have the means to be as nostalgic about it as most other people here.
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Submitted by DeeKay on 4 October 2010
This was truly amazing stuff! ;-) Like the others have written, it had so much heart and was so full of original ideas and innovative concepts! Great to have you guys back, especially PAL, Olav and the Røstøn Brothers! Looking forward to more Crest/Offence coops! ;-D P.S: Olav, didya know that Crossbow is a huge Panoramic fan? 8)
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Submitted by Twoflower on 4 October 2010
This demo is probably the best C-64 experience i've had in - let's say 6-7 years. The experience of watching it at the party wasn't like Edge of Disgrace, which shook you all over - this was more like having your heart ripped out and then having it put back in again. Once again guys, thanks a million. This is a release I will carry with me.

I will not even try to describe how happy I am for this, or how much I approve of your work.
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Submitted by Data on 4 October 2010
Damn, that a lot of parts You have there guys ;-)
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Submitted by Burglar on 3 October 2010
now that I have the time to properly watch, I can check all tunes now too and man what a soundtrack! every single sid is a gem in its own right and it's too hard to pick a favorite. my hat is off to you!

others already said it properly, but this demo indeed has the proper spirit and touches. a totally deserved winner! congrats again!
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Submitted by Knoeki on 3 October 2010
I think the only thing I don't like in this one is the fact that it's not a trackmo, somehow I feel it ruins the flow a bit.
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Submitted by Linus on 3 October 2010
Now that was refreshing, I am really stunned and glad it won the compo. Seeing PAL/Offence during the award ceremony - priceless! =) The music is simply fantastic!
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Submitted by Jucke on 3 October 2010
Wow! No way my old data heart can resist a demo with such amazing scrollers and so much scrolltext to read. Some parts had me drop my jaw in amazement, others had a strong vibe or were really hypnotizing and several had me think -"how the hell did they come up with this?". I will definately carry a floppydisk with this demo on.
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Submitted by SanderFocus on 3 October 2010
Fantastic demo! It was refreshing to see a press-space demo again. It easily stood out of the rest - felt like opening a box of jewelry.
So much love in every detail and it shows. I'm glad to see it got first place - well deserved!
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Submitted by -$iXX!- on 3 October 2010
Probably the best demo in the world.
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Submitted by CreaMD on 3 October 2010
Ah, finally something that feels rewarding. There is difference between having a routine that looks easy to do, and having a routine that looks easy to do in a part that uses this routine in inventive, playful and/or original way which pleases eye and mind.
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Submitted by Kristian on 3 October 2010
Brilliant stuff, guys! I love press-space-demos :)
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Submitted by Inge on 3 October 2010
Suddenly The Old Ones returns with a vengeance. What a performance guys, and the music is just brilliant!
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Submitted by Wile Coyote on 3 October 2010
The intro twister looked amazing.
The disco part was great, as was the 3D scroller.
..the picture at the end, great use of side / upper borders.

We Are Now/Fairlight, Another Beginning/Offence/Prosonix there is not much between them..
I think the panda won me over more.
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Submitted by Mr. Mouse on 3 October 2010
This has some seriously wicked music in it. A fresh awesome vibe.
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Submitted by Burglar on 3 October 2010
the spacebar is strong in this one! ;)
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Submitted by Crimson on 3 October 2010
So much spirit in this one. Moved me
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Submitted by abaddon on 3 October 2010
So much freshness on all fronts. Love the design, music and overall mood. This could very well become one of my all time favs.
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Submitted by Mr. SID on 3 October 2010
Great!

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Press this space bar to make sure that Offence continues to make C64 demos!
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Submitted by Hein on 3 October 2010
Can't think of a better way to make a comeback. Great show.
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Submitted by Joe on 3 October 2010
Fantastic!
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