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Knight Rider
Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 131 |
Event id #3294 : X-2024
I was having a discussion with a few guys over beers in X'2023 and the compos. I was telling about my days as OR8 pilot in the RC world where we had junior, hobby and pro categories for the races.
To make it abit more motivational the people/groups who aren't 20 members strong each with 30+ years of demo coding experience it might be worth while considering other options ?
eg. some of the ideas we discussed:
. Having a pro (ie previous winner category) and hobby section so that contributors are compared to peers of similar experience
. Splitting the voting/ranking for 1 filers from multi disk entries
. Newcomer award for those individuals or teams who never submitted to X before |
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Knight Rider
Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 131 |
Quoting wacekJust to clarify my understanding of "newcomer award" - take the best demo that was done by somebody young/debuting etc and reward it. Orgas could easily be the judges there.
Separate "newcomer" compo was never my idea, as it is not a good one ;)
Yes... exactly this. Could be a 1st timer at X, never submitted before, new to C64 etc. |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1069 |
Quoting Knight Rider... I spent the whole time moaning that the 4 other ones submitted weren't intros, but 4kb demos. I was told it's not CSDB rules that are applying here...
- there are no 4K csdb rules, besides filesize.
- there was no 4K intro competition at X, there was a 4K competition.
- in PC world, 4K intro means 4K demo.
was it really too hard to just read the rules? there was no mention of the word "intro" anywhere. |
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Knight Rider
Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 131 |
Quoting Burglarwas it really too hard to just read the rules? there was no mention of the word "intro" anywhere.
Sure there was, plenty of places...
. X'2023 C64 4K Intro
. Event id #3187 : X'2023 A quick clarification request for the 4k intro compo rules
. on the scs-trc.net page for X2023 the category was 4KB INTRO
. on http://vote.x also stated 4KB INTRO
and even...
Quoting BurglarQuoting Knight RiderI didn't see any update about the 4KB intro. It's 4KB before, or after crunching ? see post #6, #2, #3, #4 and #5 in this thread. |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1069 |
Quoting Knight Rider- X'2023 C64 4K Intro
that's how csdb mistakenly calls 4k compos, not visible until after entries get added to the event here.
Quoting Knight Rider- Event id #3187 : X'2023 A quick clarification request for the 4k intro compo rules just cause someone not involved with the party makes a mistake with a compotitle in a csdb post, doesn't make it a rule.
Quoting Knight Rider- on the scs-trc.net page for X2023 the category was 4KB INTRO
Ah yes, will change for next time. The rules themselves did not mention any of the weird rules used by Didi for his crack intro competition.
Quoting Knight Rider- on http://vote.x also stated 4KB INTRO
Incorrect, it said "4K".
Quoting BurglarQuoting Knight RiderI didn't see any update about the 4KB intro. It's 4KB before, or after crunching ? see post #6, #2, #3, #4 and #5 in this thread. [/quote]maybe read post 2 through 6 again. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2940 |
Quoting BurglarQuoting Knight Rider... I spent the whole time moaning that the 4 other ones submitted weren't intros, but 4kb demos. I was told it's not CSDB rules that are applying here...
- there are no 4K csdb rules, besides filesize.
- there was no 4K intro competition at X, there was a 4K competition.
- in PC world, 4K intro means 4K demo. Just calling the compo "4K" is the best idea to avoid "intro" vs "demo" arguments. =) |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5076 |
I guess >~25 years ago I was also perplexed why size restricted demos are called intros in the pc scene, but by now I got totally used to it :) in the oldschool c64 scene intro always referred to "crack" intros, so much, crack intro also a term invented by the stupid pc guys, to differentiate their idiotic 4k intro from crack intros. its quite nuts as I think about it :) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11293 |
Quote:crack intro also a term invented by the stupid pc guys, to differentiate their idiotic 4k intro from crack intros.
Actually they'd call it "cracktro". "crack intro" does not exist anywhere :=) |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1403 |
Yup, 4k Demo is well understood to refer to file size, and the rules always support that.
ICC is indeed an outlier, with its additional memory restrictions - and the "Intro" part of the compo name makes it reasonably clear that the idea is to make things that could at least theoretically share space with a much bigger payload.
I do like the idea of limiting the number of disk sides.. |
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map
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 27 |
Quote: Respectfully I think annual X is a bad idea. Will drain other parties, and also less megamega prods will emerge. Also: May/June? :( I would prefer autumn again. But that might be just me, working within the School year (Same for Dane and so on) makes it impossible to attend during the most stressful time of the year. I would guess it's the same for a lot of guys with kids in school.
+1
Especially what you said about the reccurence of the event.
Regarding compo rules, IMO not a single thing should be changed.
Each change will have different drawbacks, I guess.
E.g. think about limiting to a single disk side vs. having things like the Censor Rap being possible to be added into a production. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3038 |
Quote:drain As far as I'm concerned, I think that no organizer should complain about other parties crashing with it's dates or being held annually or anything. Yes, it's unfortunate when party dates collide, when less supported parties get less entries etc, but that's a competition, let the best win the best releases and biggest support. I'm saying that as ex-organizer of Forever Party which was always being mostly supported by local scene and surrounding countries (with notable exceptions). That's the spirit. Let the SVK, Polish, Hungarian, Czech, Austrian show what they can do, and if they don't, it's their fault that they suck at being productive and relevant in the scene on their own. Same with upcoming Arok. If we (the locals from around the area) are good enough, we should produce remarkable productions for this party to make it big and we should be able to visit it and have a good time. Let he X be the biggest and best party for as long as possible, and others should move their ass to work hard to be the second second and third. And no I'm not asslicking X-orgas butts here. Don't forget that I pissed on their stairs... 20+ years ago... and they didn't ban me for life, I'm just too lazy to go there and do it again (together with winning some decent place in the compo).
p.s.: annoucing the next party date immediately after the party has ended -> Brilliant! Can only be topped by launching registration etc. asap ;-) Waiting for it. I have put the date in my google calendar already. |
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