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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2980 |
Release id #248155 : Hiking Home for Christmas
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 680 |
Even if this tool could accurately detect AI generated images, which it could never 100% do with C64 images I think (to date no AI can generate in C64 format afaik - so all images would need some human work anyway), won’t it create a new problem..? Much like the AI text checker, people can use this tool in the opposite way:
- person creates some art with AI
- feeds the pic here to get a score
- modifies art some
- gets a new score
- blur, tint, modify, add extra elements
- get new score
- edit
- get new score.. boom, now it’s 5%
- release on CSDb and C64GFX, safe in the fact that you now have “proof” that it’s not AI.
100%, people can figure out how the algorithms used here work and can probably create tools that stop those algorithms being able to detect AI. Also, probably possibly to modify the AI algorithms to avoid detection too? |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285 |
Quote: It must be you?
@PAL
Sure. Perhaps. Are you making fun of my condition? That’s not very nice of you.
On the other hand, comprehension deficit doesn’t manifest itself in lack of arguments for one’s cause, it manifests in inability to understand what’s being written/told. |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285 |
@Raistlin:
Sure, but if it turns out that all false results are false negatives (either because of C64 treatment or deliberate masking it doesn’t matter), with not one false positive, then the tool is useful, right? I think some people here fear that. |
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El Jefe
Registered: Jul 2005
Posts: 81 |
I have been going through everything related to my latest scene project as it will soon enter the final development phase.
We have a great concept and a funny story, with lots of great SID tunes and many original gfx by 2 of the best gfx artists around in the c64 scene, and I mean real, not wannabe-artists that have to resort to AI or converting existing gfx!
Then later, in the evening I took part in this unpleasant discussion. Should have stayed away from it! |
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CopAss
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 21 |
There is only one irrefutable proof that a person took the picture: timelapse video.
Even the first 2 hours are enough to see how the first sketch is created from scratch.
If you see that "puff" appears immediately, a completely developed perfect contour, which does not change later, it already suggests that it is a fake.
So, everyone can decide whether it is authentic or not. |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285 |
I wrote a play.
Person A: “Perhaps we shouldn’t eat the yellow snow.”
Person B: “No one can make me eat green oranges!”
Person A: “But I’m talking about the yellow snow.”
Person B: “Demanding we eat red apples kills our creativity!”
Person C: “But we were talking about the yellow snow.”
Person D: “Yeah, you tell them Person B! We wanna be free!”
Person A: “What?”
Person E: “Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!”
Person A: “OK, Person B, tell me now who’s talking about red apples.”
Person B: “Imagine having to eat unpeeled bananas!”
Person E: “Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!”
Person D: “Busted! Person Z’s bottle falls and can’t stand on its own!”
Person A: “See, Person D, you’re doing it wrong, the bottle is upside down.”
Person D: “Busted! PersonZ’s bottle falls and can’t stand on its own!”
Person C: “He just told you, you’re putting the bottle upside down.”
Person D: “This table is crap! It doesn’t work! You’re stupid!”
Person B: “No one should tell you to eat whole pineapples!” |
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CopAss
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 21 |
@4gentE: brilliant!:D |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285 |
Quote:astaroth: This is really too stupid for me, good night
I find it adorable how a guy that released his first standalone C64 gfx in 2024, the year of AI, gfx which sightengine recognizes as 99% chance being AI (this set a record) swiftly jumps on the bandwagon of provoking the engine into false positives using Peacemakers “doctored” image. As it turns out, the image was of course “doctored” by Peacemaker’s incompetence, rather than his skill, but we’re used to him being a clueless clown by now. This burning itch, this squirming, this desire for the sightengine to be portrayed as broken is kinda fun yet sad at the same time. Of course, all these observations are coincidences. And we should stop making them because this will lead to dictatorship as certain someone brilliantly explained to us earlier. |
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macx
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 255 |
Make The Scene Great Again. Stop your nonsense. I have the best words!
Boar's Head Tavern | byob.hopto.org:64128 |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 275 |
Quote: Quote:astaroth: This is really too stupid for me, good night
I find it adorable how a guy that released his first standalone C64 gfx in 2024, the year of AI, gfx which sightengine recognizes as 99% chance being AI (this set a record) swiftly jumps on the bandwagon of provoking the engine into false positives using Peacemakers “doctored” image. As it turns out, the image was of course “doctored” by Peacemaker’s incompetence, rather than his skill, but we’re used to him being a clueless clown by now. This burning itch, this squirming, this desire for the sightengine to be portrayed as broken is kinda fun yet sad at the same time. Of course, all these observations are coincidences. And we should stop making them because this will lead to dictatorship as certain someone brilliantly explained to us earlier.
if you would be only half talented in painting as you insult other people on here over and over again. |
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