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2018-07-19 22:38
Nova

Registered: Jun 2012
Posts: 12
Why wont it let me LOAD....

Screw it,
If i had solved my problem you would all have had to
watch 36 fucking parts of Retroholica by genesis project at X2012 so i guess there is a higher purpose to not letting me irq load with on the fly decompression...

I thought i saw the light when i discovered the
Plushsqueezer V2 and integrated that loader in several
of my unfinished demos but it keeps fucking up some of my stable interupts, not all and i cant see a pattern and i have kind of given up.

I am not a multi platform programer, i love oldschool coding on the 6502 but if you ask me to compile something in a linux environment or some weird C++ cross platform compiling there is just no way, and since life still gets in the way i will most likely give up because there are more fun things to do then failing at compiling a loader with on the fly decompression for a 35 year old fucking computer !!

I managed to compile Dreamload with just the "normal" unpacked irq loading and it worked great but diskspace will soon be an issue..

Could someone please come up with a guide for compiling
both the Krill and Dreamload loaders with decompression and flip disk options in a Windows 7 64bit enviroment..

Sincerly yours:
Nova.
 
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2018-07-23 00:08
Martin Piper

Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 398
Quoting Compyx

Well, that's complete bollocks. You don't learn a language by using some "awesome" IDE. that's exactly the opposite of getting to know a language properly. Especially when using IDE's from MS, Oracle and the like, they all have their specific "extensions" to the language proper.


No, it's true. Modern IDEs will scan/compile in the background, offer code suggestions, flag errors while typing, have large searchable documentation and rich interactive debugging. All these enable the programmer to concentrate more on developing rather than keeping lots of stuff in memory.

GCC also has its own non-standard tweaks. https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-gcc-hacks/

Lots of compilers do. There is no compulsion to use all of them. Sometimes what was a tweak becomes standard or shared across compilers.

Sometimes compression algorithms require gigabytes of working memory for working tables. Good luck doing that on a C64. Also modern multi core machines with lots of storage mean it's possible to build whole C64 games in seconds compared to minutes or hours on a C64.
2018-07-23 00:40
ChristopherJam

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 909
Martin, I don't think anyone here is arguing against cross developing.
2018-07-23 01:07
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 9090
Quote:
Only if you stick with the oldest versions. Newer versions have the better compilers like LLVM.

LLVM (clang) just works with the existing build system. no need to have MSVC for that.
2018-07-23 01:27
ChristopherJam

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 909
Klang werks?

Haben die Cybernauten Melbourne erreicht?


(special dispensation for non-english bastardised song lyric requested from mods for the purposes of terrible pun)
2018-07-23 06:08
soci

Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 424
Quoting Martin Piper
All these enable the programmer to concentrate more on developing rather than keeping lots of stuff in memory.

That explains why some people are amazed how I can write stuff which compiles at the end without using code completion.
2018-07-23 07:29
Martin Piper

Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 398
Quote: Quoting Martin Piper
All these enable the programmer to concentrate more on developing rather than keeping lots of stuff in memory.

That explains why some people are amazed how I can write stuff which compiles at the end without using code completion.


Just because I can translate assembler into hex or decimal, doesn't mean I should do it for large projects. :)
2018-07-23 09:20
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 9090
i find "code completion" nothing but annoying. terrible. first thing i disable when i am forced to use one of those terrible IDEs that do it.
2018-07-23 11:33
Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 1159
Quoting Groepaz
i find "code completion" nothing but annoying. terrible. first thing i disable when i am forced to use one of those terrible IDEs that do it.
Ironically, some languages and... paradigms practically require IDEs and auto-completion for useful work. Needless to say, these things are avoided by a certain kind of developer (to which group i count myself).
2018-07-23 11:37
Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 1159
Quoting Martin Piper
That explains why some people are amazed how I can write stuff which compiles at the end without using code completion.
Quoting Martin Piper
Just because I can translate assembler into hex or decimal, doesn't mean I should do it for large projects. :)
I can't quite follow this argument. Seems a bit non-sequitur to me, or some kind of oblique straw-man, perhaps. :)
2018-07-23 11:38
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 9090
yeah same here. fuckthatshit.
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