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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
Release id #23128 : The Model
Instead of me adding new comments regarding hacks of this, I started this thread. Feel free to add to it.
This one has been altered & re-released several times, f.ex:
Our First Demo
Kraftwerk
The Model
Synthax
Robert Helpline
The Model |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1069 |
what's the point of documenting these low-effort rips in the first place? |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
I think it's interesting trivia, to see how many claimed this to be their work. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11293 |
I wrote a BASIC "intro" that loads Jumpman (the 1103 release i believe). Please add it! |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
It doesn't really belong to this entry, but please upload it anyway. :) |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1069 |
Quote: I think it's interesting trivia, to see how many claimed this to be their work.
I think it pollutes the db tbh |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
Quote: I think it pollutes the db tbh
You think they should be deleted? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11293 |
The real question is... by the csdb definition, should those be filed as "crack"? =P |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
Demo re-crack? |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1069 |
Quote: You think they should be deleted?
yes, because in my opinion, these rips have no scene value and also because the functionality to display them as rip-offs will never be made: like a tag stating it was ripped with just a line of text changed and excluding them from regular search. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4702 |
Quote: yes, because in my opinion, these rips have no scene value and also because the functionality to display them as rip-offs will never be made: like a tag stating it was ripped with just a line of text changed and excluding them from regular search.
<Post edited by hedning on 1/11-2021 10:54>
The opinions about value are subjective. From time to time we get requests to just wipe out lame stuff like rips and stuff. To a random Joe looking for the original releases a lot of rips might be just irritating, and same goes for people that have strong opinions about what the scene should be, or was, and often just want elite stuff in the database, but of course there is a scene connection and value in these "less worthy" finds, lame or not. It all depends what you look for. Hiding them would be some kind of history revisionism. The goal for CSDb is "to gather as much information as possible about the C64 scene. The sceners, the groups, the releases and events, and as much information about these as possible.". This will include lame attempts from the dawn of time and also lame ass shit releases - as long there is a scene connection. |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1762 |
hedning +1 |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3177 |
Lame as you want, I agree on keeping them, else we would start a "what I actually like in C64 scene only" database. They have some names in them and represent the _majority_ of local lamers/wannabe sceners of which each scene is made of; there are not only elites, they are the 1%.
I strongly support the possibility to have a "ripoff" attribute on demos, like there is a "recrack" on cracks. That would help immensely.
To complete it, a link field to the original being ripped off/recracked, that appears only when the attribute is checked, instead of having to just to comment about them being ripoffs because that's only possible with comments. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4702 |
Quote: Lame as you want, I agree on keeping them, else we would start a "what I actually like in C64 scene only" database. They have some names in them and represent the _majority_ of local lamers/wannabe sceners of which each scene is made of; there are not only elites, they are the 1%.
I strongly support the possibility to have a "ripoff" attribute on demos, like there is a "recrack" on cracks. That would help immensely.
To complete it, a link field to the original being ripped off/recracked, that appears only when the attribute is checked, instead of having to just to comment about them being ripoffs because that's only possible with comments.
Agreed. The "tags" must be searchable. Comments are not. |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1762 |
Quote: I think it's interesting trivia, to see how many claimed this to be their work.
I agree on this too, although we can't have a thread for every instance of a rip off. A "random" sample like this is interesting to dwelve into. |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 625 |
I agree, they should stay. Sometimes I shake my head in disbelief when I see some sceners complaining that they can’t update a release here with a fixed version of some broken crack or demo that they’ve released. The fact is, that they released a broken version at all is part of the history - and is more interesting tbh than the fixed version.
The same goes for lame releases, bad graphics (I really feel for those people who can’t graphician as well as me ;-p), etc etc… sure, we might want to bury them. But they happened. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11293 |
I want a penny every time we agree on something that should be and will never happen |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
But you can't. ;) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11293 |
Fair chance it will happen before those necessary db changes happen :) |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2160 |
Agreed
Apart what raistlin mumbled about burying poor graphicians. We can't afford that. When we bury them, they might take that as excuse and turn even lazier! |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
Meanwhile, feel free to add any additional rip-offs of Whittaker's The Model demo to this thread, to keep it on-topic. :) |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1069 |
Oh my, lots of useful comments :)
hedning: "The opinions about value are subjective"
Yup and so is yours. It is also why I stated "in my opinion".
hedning: "Hiding them would be some kind of history revisionism."
It would not be if functionality was present to differentiate ripoffs from genuine releases and also be able to use a search setting to in/exclude either.
Actually it is history revisionism now, as ripoffs are put on the exact same level as genuine releases.
hedning: "same goes for people that have strong opinions about what the scene should be, or was, and often just want elite stuff in the database"
Strawman argument, nobody said they "just want elite stuff in the db" in this thread. I did not say anything about recracks for example, these are actually flagged in the db. The ripoffs are not.
hedning: "as long there is a scene connection"
What definition is used for "scene connection"?
ian: "I strongly support the possibility to have a "ripoff" attribute on demos, like there is a "recrack" on cracks. That would help immensely. To complete it, a link field to the original being ripped off/recracked, that appears only when the attribute is checked, instead of having to just to comment about them being ripoffs because that's only possible with comments."
Hell Yeah! Same type of implementation as for crack intros and cracks for example.
I would suggest to "ripoff" uploaders to maybe queue these for later until the required functionality has been added to the database. You can then add them proper from the get-go and you dont have to fix all of them when the functionality arrives. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11293 |
So many good ideas that will be ignored and/or never happen |
