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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
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Event id #2288 : Ambient SID music competition
Your mission Jim, if you choose to accept it:
Create an ambient soundscape or composition for the SID.
The minimum length of the work is 12 minutes.
The tune must be delivered in an executable format and run on c-64. Single SID preferred, use multi-sid if you must, but we need to be able to run it on one of our devices.
For inspiration, listen to ambiences or ingame soundtracks of favourite games, such as black lamp, delta ingame, miami vice, tai pan and so forth. Be creative, forget the usual forms.
Use music, use sounds, use sound effects, generate music algorithmically if you can.
On the weekend of 9-11 of January 2015 we'll have a weekend of SID music with friends and we're planning on broadcasting the soundtrack of the event over the internet and we'll broadcast all the competition entries in their entirety.
Submit your entry to CSDB, link to the event, and vote by the rules of csdb. Status of the voting in the evening of 9th of January 2015 will determine the winner.
Winner shall have fame and special place in our hearts. |
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Linus
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 638 |
<3 |
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Conrad
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 833 |
Two questions:
1. How many entries per scener?
2. If it's 2/multi SID, will it be played in MONO output? |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 422 |
We have a full weekend to fill with sid-music, so no limit on number of entries per author, but please, do not abuse our good faith by flooding the competition. :)
The actual broadcast situation may always cause surprises.
We have both stereo and mono dualsid platforms available and of course 6581/8580's of many sorts.
If you can identify the intended setup for the composition, we'll do our best to match it. |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 444 |
Nice! I've got a tune draft lying around for ages that will fit just perfect. |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1289 |
Awesome! |
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booker
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Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 333 |
Cool...but...vote by the rules of CSDB? This site has voting fucked up by definition mrrrh I'd kindly suggest make own voting system like CreamD did years ago for his compos. That's the way to go imho. |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1289 |
I would change minimum time to e.g. 6 minutes. I'm not really sure if many people would like to listen to each 12 minutes long tune :D |
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booker
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Quoting JammerI would change minimum time to e.g. 6 minutes. I'm not really sure if many people would like to listen to each 12 minutes long tune :D
probably good idea 6 mins,
30 tunes like this and the stream will take 6 hours, the audience will get killed somewhere close to x2012 :D
Not to mention ppl are expected to vote and listen to this too :D
but also singe/dual sid tunes guys, there's a significant advantage in using 2SID by those who knows what to do with it (esp in mono mode, Conrad is already mentioning this :D)
so, if there would be a lot of both, then probably two separate categories will work better. |
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Scarzix
Registered: Aug 2010
Posts: 143 |
I believe this is my "cue" to get started with CheeseCutter 2.7 DUAL-SID BETA...
Hell yeah! Let's make some vibes. |
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psych
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 140 |
6 minutes is enough.
Mixer, once again thanks for organizing this compo. Ambient is something that is for sure in my taste ;) |
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celticdesign
Registered: Oct 2005
Posts: 148 |
6 or 7 minutes and i am in...
;-) |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 422 |
I am happy that so many have expressed interest in this already here and in private messages. :)
No negotiating the rules. No need to rig the event to please particular audience. Other rules make other events. |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1289 |
Well, if that's your wish, chief ;) Attendance will really hurt in both creative and passive department :( I already have half of a very decent ambient vibes planned for my ambient collection one day. But cannot imagine this stretched by brute force to such long span ;] |
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booker
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Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 333 |
Sorry 12 mins is a no go for me, 6 - 7 ok. |
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psych
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 140 |
same here |
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Linus
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 638 |
12 minutes is a indeed a bit excessive - you'll probably end up losing most of the people interested. |
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Isildur
Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 274 |
Wow such a great idea!
Anyone?: Solar Fields - Sol |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 243 |
12 mins <3
klaus schulze, i ll hear your entry ;) |
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Isildur
Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 274 |
Quote: 12 mins <3
klaus schulze, i ll hear your entry ;)
Yeah Berliner Schule rules in that matter :) |
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celticdesign
Registered: Oct 2005
Posts: 148 |
Hmmm, so i copy & paste the bars of my 6 minute track and let it finally loop after 12 mins? still a looped 6 min track but hummm... fockin vino'!! |
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Linus
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 638 |
Berliner Schule ftw! |
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Conrad
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 833 |
as long as it sounds good... that's all that matters! |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 422 |
We've kept the rules rather open, so that everyone interested can take their own perspective on it and how to achieve at least the 12 minutes of awesomeness. :)
I urge you to work around the invisible barriers you think there are.
ps. As stated, the submitted work must be a single executable that runs on c-64. Many ways to achieve 12 minutes+. |
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Soren
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 547 |
So, just do some sound that changes a bit all the time and keep that going for 12 minutes.
From an older test that had nothing to do with this compo:
http://www.6581.dk/lydpoelse.mp3
But you get the idea :) |
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booker
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Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 333 |
@Mixer, sure there are ways, I think though some tied to say if we'd do something to happen over the tune time we'd want to make it worth listening, so then artificial stretching it to get 12 minutes is lame :) |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 422 |
@booker, I hear what you and others are saying on the length matter, but I also feel, that it is pre-judging something that does not exist yet.
Not asking to stretch what breaks when stretched. Asking to do something that meets the challenge.
Hubbard and Galway were able to do longer than 12 minutes already 25 years ago. Certainly after 25 years of learning someone should be able to cope with that 12 minute treshold. It is not like it is a Cooper test, or is it? :) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11110 |
pff if your tune isnt worth being played for 12 minutes, why even release it at all? =) |
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booker
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@Mixer, sure, the only difference is Hubbard and Galway are not doing anything for C64 anymore, so this renders the argument invalid....and we are (or at least we're trying to) :)
You set the rules, we said our opinions. I believe this will just sort it out on it's own, prods will come in and the show will go on. Props really for a will to organise a compo with a nice idea!
@Groepaz, ye :) |
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Radiant
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 639 |
12 minutes is nothing. |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 422 |
10 days to go! Warm up your c-64 and make some sounds :) |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 444 |
Woah, thx for reminding. Almost forgot this compo.
I'll had my "audio slices" complete for a while now and have to write a "random" arrangement routine that generates a 12 min. track out of them. |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 422 |
Little pondering about randomizing patterns with your favourite play routine:
The pattern selection of the playroutine often has this or similar table lookup for selecting the next pattern to play.
x=voiceNR 0,1,2...
lda tracklistlo,x
sta $02
lda tracklisthi,x
sta $03
ldy trackkpos,x
lda ($02),y
; interpret track values as commands (repeat,transpose,end,loop) until a valid pattern is found.
One could simply replace that with jsr to pseudorandom generator such as one in http://codebase64.org/doku.php?id=base:fast_8bit_ranged_random_.. and make sure that the rnd lookuptable only contains valid pattern values that you have actually composed. Obviously a bit more code is needed if each track(voice) must draw from its own pool of patterns.
Just a thought. |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 444 |
I think I'll just utilize SID Wizard subtune-jump feature which also can do a subtune jump only for a single SID voice track. So I'll have control of larger segments than just a pattern.
Of course the same could be achieved with your idea if you use larger patterns while "composing". I just found that subtune-feature is a very convient way for this. |
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Linus
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 638 |
I am halfway done and hope to be able to finish my track in time, which entirely depends on how well the kids sleep :) Fingers crossed. |
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Soren
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 547 |
Linus: oh, we will try to sleep well then! ;) |
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freℚvibez
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 27 |
Working on something.. maybe it'll be ready in time. :) |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 422 |
5 days to go!
We have 2 entries already!
Entry by G-Fellow/Code7 is marked as released outside compo, by him for some reason. Let it be so unless he chooses to change it. |
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Dr.j
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 276 |
hi Mixer,
During creating the Electronic Stonehenge entry into the CSDb, I made a mistake in the options for it. Thats the reason why it was marked as production released outside compo. it ofcourse done for
the Ambient Sid music compo |
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Linus
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 638 |
The kids slept well: Across Tundras |
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Scarzix
Registered: Aug 2010
Posts: 143 |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambient_music
Listening to the entries with this in mind... |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 422 |
We have three entries!
Three more days to go. Warm up your sid and put some bytes through it. :) |
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Scarzix
Registered: Aug 2010
Posts: 143 |
Sadly my Electrosphere Part 1 is only 7 minutes long and already released in Vandalism News... but I think it would have fit into this category... dunno. |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1289 |
Shodan
Might be tough to bash through but good things await those who will persevere (especially if they love System Shock 2 as much as I do) :D
One more entry yet to come ;) |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 422 |
A sudden explosion of sound! We now have 7 entries! |
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wacek
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 501 |
Let me sincerely applaud everyone taking part in this competition.
The entries are so good that it makes me stop feeling guilty for not participating, although sid ambient has always been close to my heart :)
Thanks guys, hats off to y'all. |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 422 |
One more day to go!
Wacek, there is still time. :)
Entries are welcome until.. lets say.. 23:00(CET) tomorrow.
Last entries have no time to receive votes for the compo. Neverthless, every entry will be played in the webcast. |
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Scarzix
Registered: Aug 2010
Posts: 143 |
Hope we will make it in time. The SID is done, but the EXE is in the works. :-) |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 479 |
I would leave the people some more time to vote before the final result. Voting @ CSDb is not perfect but OK for a compo IMO if the entries get enough votes... let's say 20+. |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
Yeah, another time it might be an idea with maybe at least a day of voting after the deadline. :) |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1289 |
What Didi said. I guess, there's no obligation that voting should be closed before airing time if Mixer plays all tunes anyway ;) |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 422 |
Howdy! we have some last minute entries it seems.
Deadline is at 23:00 CET, in few minutes. Entries submitted after that will be outside compo releases.
You have voting time until tomorrow Saturday 10.1.2015 until 20:00(CET).
The compo broadcast will be at 20:00 10.1.2015. The stream will be recorded an made available afterwards.
We had some trouble setting up our gear today, so we won't be streaming until tomorrow. |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1289 |
Do you have 2x8580 to play stereo entries? ;) |
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Scarzix
Registered: Aug 2010
Posts: 143 |
What Jammer said ;-) |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 422 |
Yes, 2x8580 available. Everything should be according to specs. |
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Shine
Registered: Jul 2012
Posts: 327 |
Maybe offtopic:
I would like to share a very nice Ambient stream with you dudes.
http://echoesofbluemars.org/
http://streams.echoesofbluemars.org:8000/bluemars.m3u
Since some years my personal #1. |
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Xiny6581
Registered: Feb 2004
Posts: 72 |
Songs are being recorded
-Commodore 64 eqp. SID 8580R5
-Commodore 64 eqp. 2SID 8580R5 + 8580R5
++New cables for "better" sound.
++New Audiointerface for incremented sound quality.
Have a good one and yes I will notice when all songs are recorded (5/10 done so far).
Best regards,
==Xiny6581== |
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Scarzix
Registered: Aug 2010
Posts: 143 |
btw. just for info regarding Singularity, I composed it using my Logitech G35 headset which adds hall/surround to the output, so this tune is even better with that effect added when listening in a normal stereo headset...
Cheers people!
http://www.facebook.com/scarzix |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 422 |
Hello,
Instead of tested configuration that worked perfectly last week we have a hack-cast tonight. :)
Ironically, my mixer broke. So now, we only have a simple DJ mixer that does not have stereo panning. That means that dual sid will be full left and full right stereo in broadcast.
For the interested the tech is following:
2 sid 6581+8580 c-64 in mirrored or dual configuration.
1 sid 8580 c-64 cable split to stereo.
2 sid 8580+8580 in dual configuration.
DJ mixer levels are set quite modestly. All compo entries are single 8580 or stereo 8580.
Output stream will have slight compression. (treshold -20db ratio 3.5 output 12db)
We'll circulate stream url once ready. Apparently the proxy server is also recovering from emergency maintenance as well. We have plan C for that as well :)
Plan C always works :) |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1289 |
What's the broadcast url? |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 422 |
http://coffee.modeemi.fi:8000/streampi-mp3
#sidradio at ircnet
Random stuff until compo. |
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Xiny6581
Registered: Feb 2004
Posts: 72 |
Excellent! I love the setup. Now I got some inspiration for a future update in my setup (2SID 8580 + 6581 mirrored or dual config) ;) |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 422 |
Thank you for all the attendees, voters and listeners! This has been a wonderful way to spend a saturday evening.
Lets hear some opinions whether there is demand for this sort of events. Comments? |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1289 |
You have sauna at studio? :D |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
Damn, missed the show. There's definitely a demand for a download! |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 422 |
Jammer: Naturally there is a sauna in studio!
There is a successfull recording of the stream. It will be shared today/tomorrow-ish. Needs bit of editing. |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 422 |
http://www.6581.fi/Ambient_SID_Competition.mp3
178 MB |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 933 |
As a tune, Scarzix' entry is my favourite, but based on the ambient theme, I'd say any of the MultiStyle Labs participants wins. Difficult to choose one winner from those, though. The soundscapes are all incredible and inspiring.
If I participated, I would've made it fluffy and friendly with little mechanical and harsh sounds, since that's my prefered type of ambient. Maybe next time. |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1289 |
So ambient with hints of jazz? Can't wait for this ;) |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 933 |
Jazz? That's a good idea. |
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psych
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 140 |
Agree. Quite good concept! |
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Scarzix
Registered: Aug 2010
Posts: 143 |
Why all these "this isnt a real compo tune" comments? I read the rules before I did my entry:
"The tune must be delivered in an executable format and run on c-64. Single SID preferred, use multi-sid if you must, but we need to be able to run it on one of our devices.
For inspiration, listen to ambiences or ingame soundtracks of favourite games, such as black lamp, delta ingame, miami vice, tai pan and so forth. Be creative, forget the usual forms.
Use music, use sounds, use sound effects, generate music algorithmically if you can."
- so I decided to be inspired by Delta, Parallax, Lightforce to name some of my real alltime favorites and thought this was the time to try to use stereo SID with the new Beta of CheeseCutter 2SID.
Secondly, my goal was to make a long and loopable ambient chill-out tune that wouldnt become annoying in my ears after second loop aka something I might want to hear for hours...and infact I did friday, as I had the nice Zynaps player running while the timer hit 99:59 twice...
I cant seriously understand these negative vibes from you guys? it was stated as an ambient themed music compo where we could go out of the box... and to be honest, I spend two nights... and I think I delivered... so whats your problem? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11110 |
is this even a real compo?! |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1289 |
Well, why do you care? :) Almost everyone loved your entry including my experimental self! :D |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 422 |
I am happy with all the entries of the compo, they fit the given parameters.
Regarding individual opinions about what is ambient: It is not about who is right or wrong, it is about different tastes as it should.
Next competition about Jazz? :) Let's see who can define that. :) |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1289 |
Ambient jazz! :P Uhm, I meant porn music ;) |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 933 |
And I meant harmonic music without dissonants. You're all wrong!
Anyways, Scarzix, why so serious? You win, you get all the girls. |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
A cheesy porn music compo would be awesome. |
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Dane
Account closed
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 421 |
Only if I can enter with Cryogenic. :P |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1289 |
Cryogenic? Sounds like ambient ;) |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 479 |
How about some elevator music? ;) |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1289 |
BossaNovaLoad s'il vous plait :D |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 444 |
Damn. Forgot the planned holiday with my bandmates last week, so I didn't make it. Nice to see that there were a couple of entries. Will listen now. |
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Linus
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 638 |
Quote: is this even a real compo?!
:)
Mixer: There is demand for such events, obviously. I really enjoyed listening to the stream together with the MSL gang, drinking a beer or two while discussing the entries.
I am sure you would have gotten more entries and voters if the compo theme wasn't that special (experimental music with a minimum lenght of 12 minutes) but then again that's what made it such a memorable compo for me. So kudos for sticking to your initial idea and not let anybody talk you out of it.
Thank you! |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1289 |
It was really nice compo and event in general ;) Got any idea how many people tuned in? ;] |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 422 |
Jammer: Maximum was about 25 simultaneus listeners.
Stream recording URL has been accessed about 500 times in two days. |
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GH
Registered: Sep 2014
Posts: 77 |
Whooee totally missed this compo!
Listening whole morning, amazing stuff!
All very clever done indeed! Twelve minutes is not what you do every day, atleast I don't.
Scarzix: thumbs up, great job and congratulations! (mij favorite tune and editor aswell;))
Linus: Great sounding and building up tricky versatile ambience.. top notch (-:P
In general I would do a tiny bit of things different and using more arps...
Also when having six tracks to your desposal I would have loved more synthesized chord structures...
But that just me since I am a chord-nerd ;D |
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Dwangi
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 129 |
Nice compo.
But atleast the top tunes doesnt really sound good in an emulator. I will change some settings to see if it will be better. |
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Scarzix
Registered: Aug 2010
Posts: 143 |
I think it was an interesting set of rules and fun to see how we all interprete them.
Regarding 6 channels and chords, true...next time I might start three days before deadline ;-)
Regarding how to listen to Singularity, I decided to go away from my usual principles of pure and raw C64 so why not push the new options to next level... my composing therefore suffers from being rather bad i. a headset without realtime halleffect/mixing of the left and right side. but if you have a good set of speakers or surround headset as I have the tune really becomes alive.. at least thats how I designed it.
I know, this is sort of making VSP effects that can only run on certain hardware etc. sorry about that, but I really wanted to push the stereo effects further than I have tried before. Really happy that so many liked it. Thanks for that.
I can promise this is not the last stereo SID tune from my side... maybe compo rules wont allow it, but Then I will find other usages for them, so dont mind me. ;-)
btw. I have never seen so fast feedback on soundcloud regarding amounts of plays and likes in so few days for any previous tunes... I guess I got really lucky with this one.
Thanks to Mixer to force me to these rules. it was top fun to force myself to apply the rules on my own composing, aka... making an ultra long and still loopable and not too boring tune... I prefere to listen to tunes that can be looped without annoying me.
and Hein, yes I am serious when I go in for a music compo... otherwise there is no nerve or love in my composing... ;-)
lets have fun... and do more cool stuff... so Jazz/porn/elevatoraction/wizball tunes are next? |
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Testa
Account closed
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 197 |
I wonder how porn music sounds on a sid, but I will definitely try it out, I hope she finds it also exciting .... |
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Scarzix
Registered: Aug 2010
Posts: 143 |
SID-pørn... I'm all in... let's go compose! |
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celticdesign
Registered: Oct 2005
Posts: 148 |
hOt mOMMas!!! |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2066 |
Quote: SID-pørn... I'm all in... let's go compose!
For some reason we used to call pr0n videos "Danish Westerns" in Northern Germany in the 80s :D |
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Nobody
Registered: Jan 2014
Posts: 20 |
As this compo is almost 5 years old - how is the interest here in doing another one, with the same rules? |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1289 |
I wouldn't mind at all ;) Mixer? ;) |
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Linus
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 638 |
Yes, please. Bring it back! :) |
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Isildur
Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 274 |
+1 |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 422 |
Great to see interest in this format again :) I'll look into it. |
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psych
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 140 |
But this time, please, don’t discriminate multispeed :) |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1289 |
I don't remember any rule forbiding multispeeds ;) |
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psych
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 140 |
It wasn’t, but ‘Single SID preferred’ is sort of discrimination ;) |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1289 |
I did stereo nevertheless :P So did Scarzix with great result ;) |
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FATFrost
Account closed
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 211 |
Shiiiit... There could be a compo every month if you asked me... :) |
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Nobody
Registered: Jan 2014
Posts: 20 |
Sounds great. I dont think my abilities are as good as others composers are...but I love the results of the last compo and ambient SID-music(-porn) :) |
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DjS
Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 47 |
Quote: Shiiiit... There could be a compo every month if you asked me... :)
could should be should imho :D |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 422 |
It is on: Ambient SID Music Competition 2019 |
