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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4584 |
Release id #166930 : Yoomp!64 +3PD
Moved the discussion to the place for discussions. :)
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Submitted by hedning [PM] on 2 August 2018
Backup board is invoked if one of the main boards is down during the whole 24h. How would it make sense otherwise? If Reflections was down one hour 03 in the morning just when you tried to upload your crack, the rest of the groups wouldn't notice, and lose just because one board was down for some time during the 24h. 24h rule must mean 24h. If one board is gone for 24h, the backup board goes into effect. That is logical to me. Especially as the race isn't over until 24h have passed.
If two or three (our four?) boards all have hickups during the 24h you mean there are no boards to be counted? Your view of the rules does not make sense. I will count the boards and the releases after 24h have passed. That will show who won the race.
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Submitted by Jazzcat [PM] on 2 August 2018
We were first on all boards and sites initially. During that time both Antidote and The Hidden were down, according to the rules, the backup site RapidFire is then invoked and we were first there (and Reflections) thus we were first on the majority of boards using the 24 hour rule. Regards. Note: you cannot re-invoke downed boards. When they are down, backup is in play.
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Submitted by hedning [PM] on 2 August 2018
Antidote and The Hidden were down for some time, but came up within the counted 24h when we tried to upload our crack, and we were able to be first on both. We also went with Reflections and the backup BBS Rapidfire, even if the latter is a bit redundant, as we already were first on 2 out of 3 counted boards within the counted 24h. Cheers! |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
for me, mags are more important. after all, this is only meant to be a db :p |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11100 |
i dont care how its decided - but we DO need a rule that says how its decided - as demonstrated by this thread :)
ie right now we have two cracks from different groups which are both labelled "first release" - and that makes no sense whatsoever. i am tempted to remove the label from both, just to restore sanity =P |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2053 |
sometimes I think flags make things even worse, i.e. a little harder to ignore ^^ |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11100 |
Raistlin: csdb doesnt want to be a firstrelease site - so thats not an option. we had related rules a while ago, but that caused nothing but drama.
now if certain leethaxxors would set up a simple website that works as you say, we could use that as a source for who was first. (obviously the BBS poopers will not agree with it) |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2053 |
BBS poopers MMD \xD/ |
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Tim
Account closed
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 467 |
Quote: Quote:but the way 2 or 3 mags will count points/ruling
no, its about how we determine if a release gets labelled "first release" on csdb. what 2 or 3 mags do - who gives a damn.
Exactly.
So that's a catch 22 isn't it if csdb documents the scene and a split comes in the scene's way of doing things (and in that sense you'll have to care about the mags as they dictate the point awarding) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11100 |
the mags dont dictate anything really. but if they did, there should be a rule saying so :) |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 549 |
It sounds like CSDB wants to be independent from the mags... but then doesn’t want to be involved in the whole first-release decision making either... so perhaps the correct thing to do is just to drop the tag - and leave it up to the mags and independent website(s) to judge. If people disagree with how those are done, it’s not CSDB’s concern.
I can see the draw of trying to get first releases, the buzz of being the first to upload etc... but it’s much different now to how it was in the 80s. Back then you’d often go to the shop, get a copy of a game a day or two earlier than release, take it home, crack it, make trainers and then upload, knowing that you probably have hours before the next uploader. Nowadays, with the games being released digitally, a first release could be made 5 minutes later if someone wanted to rush one out, surely..?
Times have changed and maybe if people care about this “first” competition, things should change with it? |
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Tim
Account closed
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 467 |
Hehe :) |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
Quote: the mags dont dictate anything really. but if they did, there should be a rule saying so :)
oh but they do. they dictate their own lists based on a set of rules that (largely) most ppl follow. this db on the other hand is a consumer of the outcome of those rules. |
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