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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4574 |
Release id #166930 : Yoomp!64 +3PD
Moved the discussion to the place for discussions. :)
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Submitted by hedning [PM] on 2 August 2018
Backup board is invoked if one of the main boards is down during the whole 24h. How would it make sense otherwise? If Reflections was down one hour 03 in the morning just when you tried to upload your crack, the rest of the groups wouldn't notice, and lose just because one board was down for some time during the 24h. 24h rule must mean 24h. If one board is gone for 24h, the backup board goes into effect. That is logical to me. Especially as the race isn't over until 24h have passed.
If two or three (our four?) boards all have hickups during the 24h you mean there are no boards to be counted? Your view of the rules does not make sense. I will count the boards and the releases after 24h have passed. That will show who won the race.
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Submitted by Jazzcat [PM] on 2 August 2018
We were first on all boards and sites initially. During that time both Antidote and The Hidden were down, according to the rules, the backup site RapidFire is then invoked and we were first there (and Reflections) thus we were first on the majority of boards using the 24 hour rule. Regards. Note: you cannot re-invoke downed boards. When they are down, backup is in play.
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Submitted by hedning [PM] on 2 August 2018
Antidote and The Hidden were down for some time, but came up within the counted 24h when we tried to upload our crack, and we were able to be first on both. We also went with Reflections and the backup BBS Rapidfire, even if the latter is a bit redundant, as we already were first on 2 out of 3 counted boards within the counted 24h. Cheers! |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 548 |
It sounds like CSDB wants to be independent from the mags... but then doesn’t want to be involved in the whole first-release decision making either... so perhaps the correct thing to do is just to drop the tag - and leave it up to the mags and independent website(s) to judge. If people disagree with how those are done, it’s not CSDB’s concern.
I can see the draw of trying to get first releases, the buzz of being the first to upload etc... but it’s much different now to how it was in the 80s. Back then you’d often go to the shop, get a copy of a game a day or two earlier than release, take it home, crack it, make trainers and then upload, knowing that you probably have hours before the next uploader. Nowadays, with the games being released digitally, a first release could be made 5 minutes later if someone wanted to rush one out, surely..?
Times have changed and maybe if people care about this “first” competition, things should change with it? |
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Tim
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Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 467 |
Hehe :) |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
Quote: the mags dont dictate anything really. but if they did, there should be a rule saying so :)
oh but they do. they dictate their own lists based on a set of rules that (largely) most ppl follow. this db on the other hand is a consumer of the outcome of those rules. |
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Tim
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Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 467 |
Raistlin,
keep in mind all the players in the game, except Fairlight, feel the same about keeping the BBS tradition.. which makes a nice mix of having to do quite some effort for a release.. it's not just a quick 5 min job.
Secondly, there's hard rules in place what bare minimum effort needs to be done to a release to score points.
And then there's public opinion too, which weighs hard when for example a top game gets rushed out with only a docs file added.
all in all, it's still exciting although obvious times did change.. I still love it :) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11089 |
Quote:they dictate their own lists based on a set of rules that (largely) most ppl follow.
perhaps. however they have very little authority on decisions regarding csdb - and certainly dont dictate anything happening here.
Quote:this db on the other hand is a consumer of the outcome of those rules.
it may or it may not be. whether this is the case needs still to be defined. |
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Tim
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Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 467 |
:) decisions and csdb used in one sentence..
what's next, you'll use changes and implemented? :D |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11089 |
Quote:you'll use changes and implemented?
that not normal method |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
Apart from the GP version NOT being the first release (first on the majority of counted boards by several hours) there is another point that is obvious to some.
The GP version is based on a PREVIEW of the game. The files MAIN, ESQ and MNU are clearly from the game beta version and NOT the final release of the game. With this in mind, the GP version should be marked as a preview.
If anyone wants further evidence of this please drop me a PM. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2048 |
Quote:all the players in the game, except Fairlight, feel the same about keeping the BBS tradition.
and Mayday!
... not that we matter a lot with our fistful of cracks each year most of which are jewel versions of golden oldies anyway, so that we're not into first release races (anymore! due to some lame experiences with BBSes being down when we tried to upload and once they were online again other group's version we're already up...) normally |
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Tim
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Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 467 |
Quote: Quote:all the players in the game, except Fairlight, feel the same about keeping the BBS tradition.
and Mayday!
... not that we matter a lot with our fistful of cracks each year most of which are jewel versions of golden oldies anyway, so that we're not into first release races (anymore! due to some lame experiences with BBSes being down when we tried to upload and once they were online again other group's version we're already up...) normally
@TheRyk,
Actually I would be very happy to see you guys back in the game fighting for points, but by not participating at all doesn't make Mayday a player that is objecting the way we count points. |
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