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2018-08-02 23:35
hedning

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 1768
Release id #166930 : Yoomp!64 +3PD

Moved the discussion to the place for discussions. :)

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Submitted by hedning [PM] on 2 August 2018
Backup board is invoked if one of the main boards is down during the whole 24h. How would it make sense otherwise? If Reflections was down one hour 03 in the morning just when you tried to upload your crack, the rest of the groups wouldn't notice, and lose just because one board was down for some time during the 24h. 24h rule must mean 24h. If one board is gone for 24h, the backup board goes into effect. That is logical to me. Especially as the race isn't over until 24h have passed.

If two or three (our four?) boards all have hickups during the 24h you mean there are no boards to be counted? Your view of the rules does not make sense. I will count the boards and the releases after 24h have passed. That will show who won the race.

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Submitted by Jazzcat [PM] on 2 August 2018
We were first on all boards and sites initially. During that time both Antidote and The Hidden were down, according to the rules, the backup site RapidFire is then invoked and we were first there (and Reflections) thus we were first on the majority of boards using the 24 hour rule. Regards. Note: you cannot re-invoke downed boards. When they are down, backup is in play.

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Submitted by hedning [PM] on 2 August 2018
Antidote and The Hidden were down for some time, but came up within the counted 24h when we tried to upload our crack, and we were able to be first on both. We also went with Reflections and the backup BBS Rapidfire, even if the latter is a bit redundant, as we already were first on 2 out of 3 counted boards within the counted 24h. Cheers!
 
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2018-08-08 13:55
Jazzcat

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 958
Quote: After yet more PM's (Admins are welcome to read them), Jazzcat now says:-

- G*P version is a beta
- only difference is the RESTORE bug
- ONS version is a 100% fix of the release version

?!?!?

These 3 things don't go together ...

I'm out. The guy's drunk, seriously... and I have a life beyond this thread. I hope.


just to correct only difference is restore. no i did not say that. and ons version is the only 100% crack of the final build. and no, i am not drunk. thanks for the chat, have a nice day!
2018-08-08 14:08
ZeSmasher

Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 306
as said before I'm afraid the long discussions about: a) who was first? - b) is GP version final? - will never end and none will take a single step back. well, since we live on a planet with bigger problems like global warming and world hunger if a) + b) will stay unsolved that should not a big issue I guess.
now my suggestion is to go with c) how to improve the 24h / bbs down rule and agree on its interpretation? so we won't see the same discussion on a future release again.
2018-08-08 14:13
Jazzcat

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 958
Quote: as said before I'm afraid the long discussions about: a) who was first? - b) is GP version final? - will never end and none will take a single step back. well, since we live on a planet with bigger problems like global warming and world hunger if a) + b) will stay unsolved that should not a big issue I guess.
now my suggestion is to go with c) how to improve the 24h / bbs down rule and agree on its interpretation? so we won't see the same discussion on a future release again.


hi, agree on clarifying. also discussed with Bordeaux the same. we will go over the rules and build out any areas not worded clearly enough so that people can enjoy the race.
2018-08-08 15:34
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 8842
btw, if those massive changes are infact a table of random numbers - chances are they change the gameplay significantly. not obvious for some perhaps, but its certainly the case. this is pretty much why you usually want to use a predictable proper random generator that always spits out the exact same sequence for the same seed. this weird random number feature in kickass is really a bad bad BAD idea for the same reason, the behaviour of your entire program changes randomly every time you compile it. good luck debugging and testing this properly :)
2018-08-08 16:05
Raistlin

Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 110
Well yeah, game programmers would never use it for gameplay affecting stuff. You'd typically use it for something like an end of level screen fade, a star field, etc.

Has anyone (other than G*P) spoken to the coder of the game about this yet by the way..? Honestly, it would save everyone a lot of time ;-)
2018-08-08 18:20
hedning

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 1768
I have. This is the answer: "Two last changes: it was the passwords - remove digits from passwords and the next change was to block from crash when pressing restore key, your version has the same passwords as last version but crashes when restore key is pressed and it has no more changes."
2018-08-08 18:33
ChristopherJam

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 843
Quoting Raistlin
Well yeah, game programmers would never use it for gameplay affecting stuff.

*dies laughing*

Well, ideally they wouldn't, but come on Raistlin, you've worked in the industry.
2018-08-08 20:01
Raistlin

Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 110
Ah, how many days I hunted for that bug that sent Destruction Derby replays out of sync ;-)
2018-08-08 22:44
ChristopherJam

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 843
Oh gods, those fucking replays. Rinse and repeat for Driver 1-3 + Stuntman.

Anyway, about that Yoomp crack…
2018-08-09 00:39
Raistlin

Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 110
Quote: Oh gods, those fucking replays. Rinse and repeat for Driver 1-3 + Stuntman.

Anyway, about that Yoomp crack…


Test Drive 4, PC version only, had a multiplayer bug (!) where if you drove on a certain piece of grass before a tunnel the game would go out of sync... we tried for a week to find the bug, and couldn't. It didn't happen anywhere else in the game on any other bit of grass, nothing ... So instead we moved the start point of the level to be past the bit of grass 8) ... "fixed, ship it!"

Getting back to Yoomp, though, well... I'm going to go bang my head against the wall some more as I try to figure out exactly what Jazzcat wants - if he even knows himself. I guess it's just "whatever will give us the most points - we'll just bore everyone with the argument until they agree... even though we make the chart and the rules ourselves and so can just do whatever we want."

Rumour has it that any group whose name is an anagram of "Snot Laugh" will get a bonus 1000 points every day just for hilarity.
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