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2018-08-02 23:35
hedning

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 1696
Release id #166930 : Yoomp!64 +3PD

Moved the discussion to the place for discussions. :)

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Submitted by hedning [PM] on 2 August 2018
Backup board is invoked if one of the main boards is down during the whole 24h. How would it make sense otherwise? If Reflections was down one hour 03 in the morning just when you tried to upload your crack, the rest of the groups wouldn't notice, and lose just because one board was down for some time during the 24h. 24h rule must mean 24h. If one board is gone for 24h, the backup board goes into effect. That is logical to me. Especially as the race isn't over until 24h have passed.

If two or three (our four?) boards all have hickups during the 24h you mean there are no boards to be counted? Your view of the rules does not make sense. I will count the boards and the releases after 24h have passed. That will show who won the race.

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Submitted by Jazzcat [PM] on 2 August 2018
We were first on all boards and sites initially. During that time both Antidote and The Hidden were down, according to the rules, the backup site RapidFire is then invoked and we were first there (and Reflections) thus we were first on the majority of boards using the 24 hour rule. Regards. Note: you cannot re-invoke downed boards. When they are down, backup is in play.

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Submitted by hedning [PM] on 2 August 2018
Antidote and The Hidden were down for some time, but came up within the counted 24h when we tried to upload our crack, and we were able to be first on both. We also went with Reflections and the backup BBS Rapidfire, even if the latter is a bit redundant, as we already were first on 2 out of 3 counted boards within the counted 24h. Cheers!
 
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2018-08-10 11:16
Raistlin

Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 64
Well it arguably just has ... putting the version issue aside (pre-release, v0.99, demo, preview, whatever), there was also an argument earlier about whether G*P or Onslaught were first.

Onslaught weren't able to upload to the preferred boards within the 24 hours.. G*P were.

The issue of course being that the Propaganda rules have now changed - or "had their definition clarified".

I don't see the point in opening a system up for abuse just for the sake of gaining points on a single release ;-)
2018-08-10 11:17
Raistlin

Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 64
But anyway, I'll leave this now ... better things to do - and it feels like common sense, this time, isn't going to prevail...
2018-08-10 11:28
Raistlin

Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 64
"UPDATE 04.08.2018: Clarifications for the uninitiated: this includes the "fallback board" if other "counted boards" are offline.

The reason we don't wait for boards to be back up is that people can control the boards (pulling those strings!) - bringing them down at leisure and then bringing them up when they want (how convenient! let's make everyone have one leg while we run on two!). The race to the counted "Online" boards as first resolves this 'manipulative little trick'."

^^^ as I say, if you can't trust the BBS', don't put them on the preferred list. It's as simple as that. The simpler the rules are the better.
2018-08-10 13:10
hedning

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 1696
Quote: "UPDATE 04.08.2018: Clarifications for the uninitiated: this includes the "fallback board" if other "counted boards" are offline.

The reason we don't wait for boards to be back up is that people can control the boards (pulling those strings!) - bringing them down at leisure and then bringing them up when they want (how convenient! let's make everyone have one leg while we run on two!). The race to the counted "Online" boards as first resolves this 'manipulative little trick'."

^^^ as I say, if you can't trust the BBS', don't put them on the preferred list. It's as simple as that. The simpler the rules are the better.


In the Propaganda rules we will instead delete cheating boards from the list of counted bords. Easy as that. Will post the updated propa rules tonight.
2018-08-10 13:16
Raistlin

Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 64
I find it mightily strange that The List is effectively saying that they don't trust the owners of the BBS' that they use for calculating their scores. That's either a very strange position to be in... or an excuse that can be pulled out at will.
2018-08-10 13:18
Raistlin

Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 64
Regardless of all of that, though, to me it really just changes the integrity of the VN first release list in my eyes.

CSDB's "First Release" tag is a completely different matter .. and for the powers that be there to decide.
2018-08-10 14:43
Pitcher

Registered: Aug 2006
Posts: 48
So now it seems even more reasons to switching to Bacchus's idea of an internet based release site, 1 site to get your upload time and date stamped, first release problem sorted.

And then each release would be awarded points by a panel of sceners, on the merits of the crack, not just who was first.

The bbs scene would still stay alive as the only way to get others to download your crack would be via the bbs's, the first release site would be upload only.

I'm sure Bacchus will happily answer anyones questions or concerns.
2018-08-10 16:18
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 8682
the entire discussion should be deleted and moved to your BBSs.

still the one and only thing that matters here is: what determines if a release, on csdb, gets the first-release tag?
2018-08-10 16:57
ZeSmasher

Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 300
deleted or just closed.
about Pitcher/Bacchus idea: so in brief a 8bit version of The iSONEWS? maybe it will work, maybe it won't. most of the time: Peecee scene != C64 scene
2018-08-10 17:55
Pitcher

Registered: Aug 2006
Posts: 48
Quoting ZeSmasher
deleted or just closed.
about Pitcher/Bacchus idea: so in brief a 8bit version of The iSONEWS? maybe it will work, maybe it won't. most of the time: Peecee scene != C64 scene


Yes, but also a collective of sceners, who then rate the releases between them, back to the old style of scoring, so maybe being first or quickest won't always get the best points.
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