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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
Release id #176969 : Super Mario Bros 64 +2
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Submitted by hedning [PM] on 19 April 2019
G*P perspective. This is turning into a discussion. Will copy the discussion to the forum.. From my moderator perspective.
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Submitted by Mr Ammo [PM] on 19 April 2019
"from our perspective". Is that your CSDb moderator / CSDb rules perspective or is it your G*P perspective. I feel there is a conflict of interest when you answer this question.
User Comment
Submitted by hedning [PM] on 19 April 2019
From our perspective they are part of the same release. They were released together as it was meant. And they are both working.
There are many examples on releases that have different sorts of files in the same release: d64 and d81 versions of diskmags, cracks etc. Even mixed easyflash and disk versions of the same release in the same entry as they were released together.
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Submitted by Mr Ammo [PM] on 19 April 2019
Since the 191 blox version is a different version of this release, shouldn't there be a different release entry for this version as per CSDb rules and what the mods preach?
That way there will be a release entry for a working version and a non-working version for vanilla C64s.User |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
From our (G*P:s) perspective the both files belong to the same release, thus the same entry in CSDb, as said above. They were released together on the same d64 at the same time, and serve the purpose of handing the release out to those with and without a turbo cartridge.
Examples of releases with different file types, standards and stuff that in my opinion should be kept together as they belong to the same release: Attitude #19, Vandalism News #65, Black Gold +9DFIR, Ultima IV Remastered V2.2.1... |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3132 |
The 202 blocks limit (loading up to $cfff) should be never forgotten, especially by self called elite groups. By simply replacing the tune with a <1kb one (take jeff/xlarge.sid for example) you could have made it in 201 blocks, just saying. And when it's not possible, fill the $1000-1fxx area with $60 and make it silent.
Making a release that REQUIRES a special/external loader is lame in my book.
The extra introless version could have been even avoided.
And you released a sloppy work just for rushing it out, and not spending 5 minutes to make it proper. But it's your reputation being lowered, not mine :P |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
Of course we were in a hurry, and in the middle of the night L.A.Style delivered this as most guys use carts anyway, and also added a non intro version for the others... Because we care... But then, ian: This is for you: Super Mario Bros 64 +2. |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3132 |
it's not about me, it's about making things right and self preservation of YOUR group respectability. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
Quote: it's not about me, it's about making things right and self preservation of YOUR group respectability.
Jesus died ffs. Still we want to spread love you way. It's eastern. ;) |
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mankeli
Registered: Oct 2010
Posts: 110 |
shouldn't crappy releases be under dinasours label? |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
LOL |
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Acidchild
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 465 |
i just hope that all these needed re-relaeses, which were needed to make because of not proper testing, will be punished
with minus-points in all these release-lists, so we can either see which group needs the most versions until they have a 100% working crack or which group might take a little more time for their releases, but than atleast have the quality on their side. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
Shit happens, as both Jazzcat, Goat and all you others know and have experienced, and will experience. Enjoy the chance to have some fun on our expense. Next time it might be you. :) Enjoy the weekend!
Acidchild: Of course. Read the rules. We are not different from others. It's great to see all wishing us well. ;) <3 |
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Acidchild
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 465 |
hedning: it's not about you, but in the last time i have the feeling that more and more of such mistakes happen, which could have been avoided. i just hope you guys (all active cracking groups) will forget about the release-rush but start instead to think on quality instead! |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
Quote: hedning: it's not about you, but in the last time i have the feeling that more and more of such mistakes happen, which could have been avoided. i just hope you guys (all active cracking groups) will forget about the release-rush but start instead to think on quality instead!
I hear ya. But this is not the place to discuss this. However: I've heard rumours about plans to make a Gamer's Guide thing, which would please you and many more. You might even be interested in being in some jury there? |
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Acidchild
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 465 |
no thanks, have got enough to do with transfering disks already :) |
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Pitcher
Registered: Aug 2006
Posts: 61 |
Quote: I hear ya. But this is not the place to discuss this. However: I've heard rumours about plans to make a Gamer's Guide thing, which would please you and many more. You might even be interested in being in some jury there?
I'm sure that would make the future bright.
More than 1 release of each game and a proper competition would make the scene even more active. |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 554 |
Interesting observation about all the crackers complaining about the first release competition:-
- GP’s released a broken version;
- nobody else bothered to release because, of course, they didn’t think they could get the first;
- GP released a fixed version a long time later.
So... if some aren’t bothered about the first release component... why didn’t they release their better cracks after GP’s first attempt?
Something smells like a lie here ;-) |
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Pitcher
Registered: Aug 2006
Posts: 61 |
Quote: Interesting observation about all the crackers complaining about the first release competition:-
- GP’s released a broken version;
- nobody else bothered to release because, of course, they didn’t think they could get the first;
- GP released a fixed version a long time later.
So... if some aren’t bothered about the first release component... why didn’t they release their better cracks after GP’s first attempt?
Something smells like a lie here ;-)
3 releases within 24 hours and a story on facebook about struggled because lack of space for a trainer. I really couldn't careless.
Except, Its been made a point in Propoganda more than once, when Fairlight have had to releases a game twice, I hope you mention it about yourselves next issue??
Also exomizer packs 0400-ffff, the game unpacked is 0800-ffff, where's the issue in lack of space come from ?
Where's the smell of lies coming from now ? |
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Mr.Ammo
Account closed
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 228 |
...About the appearance of conflict of interests by a moderator...
Quoting hedningUser Comment
Submitted by hedning [PM] on 19 April 2019
G*P perspective. This is turning into a discussion. Will copy the discussion to the forum.. From my moderator perspective. It's not a discussion, it's an observation.
Just my 2 cents. |
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Pitcher
Registered: Aug 2006
Posts: 61 |
Quote: ...About the appearance of conflict of interests by a moderator...
Quoting hedningUser Comment
Submitted by hedning [PM] on 19 April 2019
G*P perspective. This is turning into a discussion. Will copy the discussion to the forum.. From my moderator perspective. It's not a discussion, it's an observation.
Just my 2 cents.
If any other group did it, it would be on the release, not a seperate discussion.
But hey hoy, it's sunny and beers are cold.
And fairly sure next issue of Propaganda won't even mention a Super Mario game ever being released 😆 |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
Quote: If any other group did it, it would be on the release, not a seperate discussion.
But hey hoy, it's sunny and beers are cold.
And fairly sure next issue of Propaganda won't even mention a Super Mario game ever being released 😆
You are both wrong. Discussions in the forums, and short comments about the release in the comments field. I have moved many discussions to the forums. Don't be paranoid. Also: Mr. Ammo can also be spotted attacking my acts every time he can, lately, it seems. I have no clue why though. We came along really good at X last time, and I like his devotion there.
I am perfectly aware of my two roles here, but if you disagree with that you could complain to Perff or the other moderators and have me kicked off as csdb mod if they agree I am not suited. No prob.
Pitcher: Thanx for believing in PropaList. |
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Pitcher
Registered: Aug 2006
Posts: 61 |
Roles are cool, if you really aren't one sided.
You offered to stand down last time if people thought it was 1 sided, as much as I like you and have odd chats, yes it seems very 1 sided.
Are you going to down talk your own group next issue of Propaganda is my main issue ?
Also your facebook page and Raistlin talking bollocks don't help your story at all 😜 |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3132 |
Pitcher: Exomizer also packs $0200-ffff adding one parameter. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
Quote: Roles are cool, if you really aren't one sided.
You offered to stand down last time if people thought it was 1 sided, as much as I like you and have odd chats, yes it seems very 1 sided.
Are you going to down talk your own group next issue of Propaganda is my main issue ?
Also your facebook page and Raistlin talking bollocks don't help your story at all 😜
As I said: You are free, and welcome, to complain to Perff and the others mods if you like, and have your views presented and let them decide if you are right, and I should go as a moderator. No problem there. But keep that to my moderator work only. My role as a moderator. What do you think a moderator does? If you can prove I am abusing my "powers", yes, then I should go. My "powers" are simple: deny/approve new users, banning people, censoring comments in other languages than English, or moving them to forums. I can also lock entries, and unlock them. But I am not alone in this, or course. The other mods will react and can and will discuss and revert my changes.
I have no idea what you mean by my FB page? It's of course my page where I write what I want. And Raistlin can write what he wants. It has nothing to do with what I do as a moderator.
In Propaganda all GP cracks are handled by Dr.Strange or Taper. They are not handled by me. We have always been sure Propa is not handled by one dictator that can manipulate stuff after his own will. |
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Pitcher
Registered: Aug 2006
Posts: 61 |
Quote: Pitcher: Exomizer also packs $0200-ffff adding one parameter.
So even more room possible ? |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 554 |
“Raistlin talking bollocks ” .. well, that escalated quickly. What happened?
All I said was that I didn’t understand the first release talk... if groups aren’t bothered about the first release compo, why aren’t all the groups releasing cracks of each game, more like it was in the 80s? I suspect they don’t because they see that the FR prize was gone. The fact that it wasn’t here, because G*P’s first releases were “broken”, shows that there was actually a window in which they could’ve claimed the prize.
Re: Propalist... I didn’t see the new issue yet, it would surely make better sense for people to wait until it’s out before deciding whether to moan about it or not? |
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Pitcher
Registered: Aug 2006
Posts: 61 |
Quote: “Raistlin talking bollocks ” .. well, that escalated quickly. What happened?
All I said was that I didn’t understand the first release talk... if groups aren’t bothered about the first release compo, why aren’t all the groups releasing cracks of each game, more like it was in the 80s? I suspect they don’t because they see that the FR prize was gone. The fact that it wasn’t here, because G*P’s first releases were “broken”, shows that there was actually a window in which they could’ve claimed the prize.
Re: Propalist... I didn’t see the new issue yet, it would surely make better sense for people to wait until it’s out before deciding whether to moan about it or not?
You quoted lies where said originally.
On that quote I said back then and also now, your talking bollocks 😉 |
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Pitcher
Registered: Aug 2006
Posts: 61 |
@Raistlin, you depack the original game, tell me what space it uses and what's packable with exomizer?, then tell me the memory constraints on trying to add a trainer ? |
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Bacchus
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 154 |
Guys,
GP fucked up massively with Mario. Putting three versions out is shameful. If fact it was four but as per the CDBb principles, intro text typos are allowed to be fixed and replaced (I don't really see that the urge to keep version with one byte of code bug vs we can replace one byte of scroller bug. But this is a CSDb principle).
I don't see any cover-up of the fuckup. The list of releases talk for themselves. We can't expect anyone to stand up and say that it was a fuck up. It's bluntly obvious by facts and figures.
Let's not jump to conclusions on Propaganda. Let's save the ammunition to after next release before we jump to conclusions on how it's handled. But let's just say that there is a level of expectations on tar and feathers here....
Also there is a risk with double chairs that this is used to it best favour. It's not like there are millions of people to chose from so we should all be glad that Hedning is ready to do it. We should all watch carefully any tendency of him going astray, but until he does there is no reason to have him leave. I think he handles it gracefully. A lot better than just about anyone would do it. So on that side I would very much like to see him keep up the good work. Movingly he discussion from the release to a separate thread on the forum also makes sense given that there are three releases.
But let me iterate - the Mario release is a fuck up of epic proportions. But beyond that I have yet no reason to cast any additional blame on GP.
Pontus "Bacchus" Berg
* FairLight Council * |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
Quote: If any other group did it, it would be on the release, not a seperate discussion.
But hey hoy, it's sunny and beers are cold.
And fairly sure next issue of Propaganda won't even mention a Super Mario game ever being released 😆
LOL! Hahah, that is gold :D |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
"All I said was that I didn’t understand the first release talk..."
Perhaps you should stick to the demo scene then :D |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
Quote: LOL! Hahah, that is gold :D
I think we will, as we don't review our own releases like other mags do. ;) |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
Quote: I think we will, as we don't review our own releases like other mags do. ;)
As far as we know; guess we have no way of telling. :D |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 554 |
@Pitcher: I'm honestly not interested in the dumb arguments here... the "lies" that I talked of are clear from my posts. I talk of people saying on the one hand that they don't care about the First Release compo - but on the other, they're avoiding cracking any games that another group has First Released... which suggests that they -do- care.
@Jazzcat: Lolol. Maybe you should stick to writing your little Sex'n'Crime wannabe ;-) |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2893 |
This thread has outlived any sort of usefulness |
