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2019-11-04 17:55
Didi

Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 374
Event id #2889 : Intro Creation Competition 2019

Preface: Please use this thread for questions, discussion and everything else concerning this competition.


Many people were asking about the competition being held this year. It turned out to be a good place to have it after the big X party each second year. But why not give it a try in between?

This time I decided to add a second category to the well known rules: 4kB intro! It is different to the 4kB intro category you know from demo parties. There the executable file has the limit of 4096 bytes and may allocate as much as you like during runtime. Rules here only allow to use 4kB overall for a different challenge. Please check the rules for more details. Result will show if that was a good idea.

Here you go...


Competition runs from November 4th, 2019, until January 5th, 2020. So you have a full 2 months to deliver your creations. This should be enough for an intro.

RULES for both categories:

Your intro entry...
- has to work on a plain stock C64 (PAL standard) without any extensions.
- has to be a one-part intro. Short fade-ins and fade-outs are OK.
- has to contain at least one Logo at whatever size you like.
- has to contain a changing or moving text message (e.g. scrolling text, different lines fading in & out, etc.)
- has to be interruptable any time by pressing SPACE-key (exception are short fade-in and fade-out).
- does not need to have exclusive graphics, charsets or music. But the code should be exclusive, so reuse of existing code with just exchanged graphics and music is not allowed.
- has not been publicly used before entering the competition.
- has to be handed in as executable format startable with RUN (.prg or embedded in .t64 or .d64).

Your 16kB intro...
- has a maximum RAM footprint of $4000 bytes at one block, at whatever location you like. Screen RAM counts as used memory. Exclusions are system addresses like VIC (inkl. Color RAM), SID, CIA, Stack, Zero-page, IRQ vectors. This means RAM besides chosen $4000 bytes area and exceptions has to be the same before and after running the intro. What happens during runtime is up to you.
- has to contain music (not just a humming sound, please).
- is linked to this competition as "C64 Demo" entry (sorry, no other fitting entry exists).

Your 4kB intro...
- has a maximum RAM footprint of $1000 bytes at one block, at whatever location you like. Screen RAM counts as used memory. Exclusions are system addresses like VIC (inkl. Color RAM), SID, CIA, Stack, Zero-page, IRQ vectors. This means RAM besides chosen $1000 bytes area and exceptions has to be the same before and after running the intro. What happens during runtime is up to you.
- does not have to contain any sound, but feel free to add some.
- is linked to this competition as "C64 4k Intro" entry.

You are allowed to enter maximum 3 entries per participant and category, so you are can enter 6 entries at best. Entries might be taken back from the compo until deadline. That means if you want to remove one of your works from the compo to make space for another entry from you, this can be done until deadline.
Deadline for entry submission is Sunday January 5th, 2020 at 23:59:59 (11:59:59 pm) CET.
Voting closes at Sunday January 12th, 2020 at 23:59:59 (11:59:59 pm) CET.
Voting platform is CSDb (with all disadvantages it may have), therefore entries have to be posted here.
Entries will be ranked by weighted average of CSDb votes. Entries with the same weighted average are ranked by their percentages of 10s, 9s, etc.

No prices to win, just the fame. May the best creation win!
 
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2019-11-24 19:20
Didi

Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 374
Yep, simply jumping to $FCE2 after spacebar is ok.
2019-11-24 19:23
Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 1409
Quoting Golara
Any idea why it doesn't show up on the main page in latest releases ??? :(
It does. It just takes a while for the frontpage to update, i guess this is some kind of server-side optimisation.
2019-11-24 22:17
TheRyk

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 707
Quote: is it just me who thinks the 4K compo has more sex appeal than the 16K one? :)

Uncle Ryk told you so years ago/ kept telling everyone who didn't want to listen for years that 16K hasn't got to do anything with crack intro size and moreover is only 25% of the fun 4K provides :)

Seriously, though my 4K might not be impressive or win any fame, tough limits force to improve skills, as there were no vast RAM areas to fill with stupid skript kid copy & paste speed code.
2019-11-25 07:16
Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 4534
"to improve skills, as there were no vast RAM areas to fill with stupid skript kid copy & paste speed code."

your skill would improve more if you would try to fit a stupid script kiddie demopart that needs speedcode into 16k. its much tighter than one would think, and needs more creativity than I have all 64k to shit speedcode and tables in, and more than I only have 4k so I cant code something complex anyway so lets just have a scroller+logo.
2019-11-25 11:23
Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 1409
Quoting Oswald
I only have 4k so I cant code something complex anyway so lets just have a scroller+logo.
Not sure if i'm getting you right, but 4K allows for more than just a logo and a scroller. And you can use (partially) unrolled code, of course, just not so much of it. =)
2019-11-25 12:42
Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 4534
Quote: Quoting Oswald
I only have 4k so I cant code something complex anyway so lets just have a scroller+logo.
Not sure if i'm getting you right, but 4K allows for more than just a logo and a scroller. And you can use (partially) unrolled code, of course, just not so much of it. =)


sure you can use partial speedcode in 256 bytes and have more than logo + scroller, but this is territory of speecode copy+paste script kiddies =)
2019-11-25 14:34
ChristopherJam

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1032
Quoting TheRyk
tough limits force to improve skills, as there were no vast RAM areas to fill with stupid skript kid copy & paste speed code.


That's fightin' talk, that is :D
2019-11-25 15:43
Golara

Registered: Jan 2018
Posts: 201
I don't know about you, but I never made any effect with the aim to fit into 4 or 16kb. I was just writing something and then it turns out it's small or could be smaller without much effort.. I guess I'll use it for 4/16kb intro then. Then you add music, graphics, "design" and it's over the limit by 500 bytes and rest few weeks is just triming the fat everywhere. I like it honestly
2019-11-25 15:54
ZeSmasher

Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 396
Quote: I don't know about you, but I never made any effect with the aim to fit into 4 or 16kb. I was just writing something and then it turns out it's small or could be smaller without much effort.. I guess I'll use it for 4/16kb intro then. Then you add music, graphics, "design" and it's over the limit by 500 bytes and rest few weeks is just triming the fat everywhere. I like it honestly

I quote you 100% :)
2019-11-25 17:53
TheRyk

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 707
If you do sth with various extremely polished sprite fonts over a fancy bitmap gfx with some huge .SID, there might be stuff where a full VIC Bank of RAM comes quite handy and makes sense, agreed. I didn't want to bash 16K competitors, though I'm happy if some of you lazy bastards feel a little provoked/challenged, hehe.

All I'm saying is 16K frequently doesn't require any optimizing/half-smart coding. Maybe it's just me (who doesn't know any bitmap gfxians that ain't lazy bastards so I rather use ROM or coder gfx anyway so I never need much RAM for visuals), but 16K (=no) limit often made me go lazy and think "why bother optimizing stuff like unrolled loops, e.g. by a code generator or self-modifying routine - when exomizer can do all the work more efficiently anyway with regard to crunched file." That's why I like the 8K hosted by CJ better and this 4K even more. Looking 4wd to doing 2K and 1K ;)
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