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PAL
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 269 |
Release id #186917 : The Last Ninja4
no one can vote on my art now |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2893 |
I just voted a 5, seems to still work |
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PAL
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 269 |
cool... you vote what you think... so I respect your 5 vote, thank you for the 5, it is just almost bad what I did while the public votes are stright 10s... no matter what. I do not care but I must own it. |
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PAL
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 269 |
I just cry of of how I am treated on here... I know I inspired the big groups to come back... I know it inside my heart... I actually saved the c64 scene in many ways...it was fun and you negative CSDB idiots kill my drive, because you are total anal. I have a huge wan to do for you all but the idiots here are too negative... they are Nazis, they are the same as they decide... not me and you... they decide.... .. . |
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PAL
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 269 |
I will as I said before leave you all alone without me and no more pixels or ideas after x2020, I think that is ok as the scene is in prosper and it is so solid again :-) I will quit my pixels and doing on the c64 after x2020... it is not that there are anything big upping for my departure, but it will be me on X2020 and will love very moment of it... I have had some of my best moments in life there... burglar you know... you hae seen me so naked and all just me made splendid by my best friends ever i life. All of Offence I love you! You all made my life worth living the last 10 years beside Vile and also Marianne.... love you all ... and to all of FIG and to all of you sceners too... if you read this you are one of them I love, love you all. |
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PAL
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 269 |
I have given all I could the last decade... really... it is insane... it will be a super decade to end. your PAL |
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PAL
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 269 |
I really feel sorry for something I also do not know what happened in... but Algorithm I never wanted anything bad between me and you and I just had a blast with you and also tried to be me for you.... I understand that I did something wrong but I will never understand what I did wrong because I never understood it... I would like to finalize our demo any day - lets do it some day in the future. You are real great and also a very jolly bloke when you are in mood. |
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PAL
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 269 |
I just want to end my decade+ in a great way with you all in amsterdam... pre X and all the fun... |
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PAL
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 269 |
it will be last i do on c64 and Algo we have some cool things in them prg files that we could make finals? |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1289 |
Pal, how about staying clean before posting anything in forums? 🙁 |
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Scan
Registered: Dec 2015
Posts: 110 |
I'm not sure what I've been reading about, but given the timeframe and the melodrama involved here I suggest you should have something like an alcohol lock on your PC or whatever.
Edit: Oh, is this about the voting thing again? |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3034 |
Everyone here is suspecting that you were not sober. If that's true, and it didn't make you happy enough to be capable of taking shit with gentle levity, it's time to consider if it's good for you. Don't expect others or CSDB make you happy. |
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Grue
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 146 |
You cannot even decide the name of your entry here without drama. PAL I can understand you 100% |
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Joe
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 224 |
Sad reading indeed. It's like reading someone’s diary or the poorness of an inner monologue, which shouldn't have seen the light, screaming in the night.
PAL: Sharp up, shape up: Have your final year in this scene, but don't go megalomaniac about it. Your graphics and ideas are great, but you are no god, so keep those narcissistic wounds somewhere else. Heads up and ride that horse through the goal of X'2020. We will cherish it (you) anyway regardless the outcome! |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
What Joe said. And never go full csdb when you have been drinking. |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 512 |
Quote:never go full csdb when you have been drinking.
never go full csdb, even when completely sober :) |
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Joe
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 224 |
Never go CSDb, unless you want to upload stuff or vote :D |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1821 |
IMHO you don't own shit when using a pseudoname for branding and don't use your real name here anyhow.
Yours sincerely, future-PAL... |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1289 |
Quoting Count ZeroIMHO you don't own shit when using a pseudoname for branding and don't use your real name here anyhow.
Ok - I'm obviously far from supporting Pal's drama but that sounded pretty arrogant, actually. Don't forget things we submit here are still our intellectual property :) Of course, authors voluntarily allow for sharing, reusing their work etc. but denying authorship and claims like the one above are off putting. |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 512 |
what Jammer said. other than that I don't get why sometimes some useful flameless topics get closed in no time and this one is still open. |
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Shine
Registered: Jul 2012
Posts: 327 |
Quoting Count ZeroIMHO you don't own shit when using a pseudoname for branding and don't use your real name here anyhow.
Yours sincerely, future-PAL...
This tells "us" a lot! Congrats for your Coming-out...
(Not that i am really surprised) |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3034 |
Quote: Quoting Count ZeroIMHO you don't own shit when using a pseudoname for branding and don't use your real name here anyhow.
Ok - I'm obviously far from supporting Pal's drama but that sounded pretty arrogant, actually. Don't forget things we submit here are still our intellectual property :) Of course, authors voluntarily allow for sharing, reusing their work etc. but denying authorship and claims like the one above are off putting.
I agree. With great power comes great responsibility. Everyone should behave decently, but especially the moderators should balance assertiveness and politeness at the same time.
My thougts about what was happening: Attempting to remove compo entry because you aren't satisfied with votes is wrong. How would you do that after party, for example?
Get your shit together, everyone, and have a nice monday. |
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Bacchus
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 154 |
Pål,
Get over CSDb votes. There is a category here that push their own votes up by pushing others down. There will always be someone giving you an undeserved shitty vote. That's not fair and most of the times that's not even their honest opinion. It's a vote with an agenda.
And there are envious assholes. After all, we are nerds which means that the relative share of people with issues is a lot bigger than in the general population.
And we are all instrumental in making this scene live on. There are at least a hundred people who would be a great loss if they stopped their activity.
Keep up the good work, and do test assure that you are appreciated. And don't use the CSDb votes as a meter for that appreciation as it gives false readingsm
Pontus "Bacchus" Berg
* FairLight Council * |
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Danzig
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 428 |
Dear Pal,
I've seen several CSDb vote-dramas all over the place and still never get it.
You like your work? You got fans? You got crazy crowd at parties with stuff you did?
I know you can answer all 3 questions with a big fat YES, Sir!
So, stay with us, continue to amaze us and just ignore CSDb voting, it's silly anyway! We love you!
Cheers,
Danzig
PS: PAL fan since Emotional Breakdown ;) |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 512 |
@CreaMD+Bacchus+Danzig: mr.Pal asked a question about how voting system on CSDb works. AFAIK he never complained about a bad voting.
Then things escalated quickly and some avoidable drama happened.
LDX DRAMA
INX
STX DRAMA
JMP NEXTWEEKENDDRAMA
hey Pal: quitters suck. pls dont! |
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Danzig
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 428 |
Quote: @CreaMD+Bacchus+Danzig: mr.Pal asked a question about how voting system on CSDb works. AFAIK he never complained about a bad voting.
Then things escalated quickly and some avoidable drama happened.
LDX DRAMA
INX
STX DRAMA
JMP NEXTWEEKENDDRAMA
hey Pal: quitters suck. pls dont!
Nevertheless: avoid taking CSDb votes for real@all
Edit: Ok, found the other (closed) topic from Pal. Sheds some different light on the case :-D
Tends to be a problem with "I start a compo on CSDb" vs. "CSDb is for archiving scene-releases" in the first place.
The abuse of CSDb as a releasing (or compo) platform should be reconsidered. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3034 |
Quote: @CreaMD+Bacchus+Danzig: mr.Pal asked a question about how voting system on CSDb works. AFAIK he never complained about a bad voting.
Then things escalated quickly and some avoidable drama happened.
LDX DRAMA
INX
STX DRAMA
JMP NEXTWEEKENDDRAMA
hey Pal: quitters suck. pls dont!
He kinda *did* complain. And I kinda suggest to everyone to work on their temper. Let's embrace the "coolenss" and "awesomeness" shall we? ;-) |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3034 |
Quote: Nevertheless: avoid taking CSDb votes for real@all
Edit: Ok, found the other (closed) topic from Pal. Sheds some different light on the case :-D
Tends to be a problem with "I start a compo on CSDb" vs. "CSDb is for archiving scene-releases" in the first place.
The abuse of CSDb as a releasing (or compo) platform should be reconsidered.
I once was sceptical. I actually hated it when Didi started music compo while I was doing compo (at the same time) outside CSDB, but that is past.
I don't like flood of tiny releases on the release list either, but apart from that I find it positive that this kind of "abuse of CSDB" was invented. It created a lot of interesting compos and it probably reinvigorated the creative vibes of many sceners. Creativity is good. Maybe running compos should have their own tab in release list. |
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Danzig
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 428 |
Quote: I once was sceptical. I actually hated it when Didi started music compo while I was doing compo (at the same time) outside CSDB, but that is past.
I don't like flood of tiny releases on the release list either, but apart from that I find it positive that this kind of "abuse of CSDB" was invented. It created a lot of interesting compos and it probably reinvigorated the creative vibes of many sceners. Creativity is good. Maybe running compos should have their own tab in release list.
My intention was not to start argueing about sense or nonsense of competitions on CSDb. Just the "whatever you post on CSDb stays on CSDb" is not sufficient anymore, when CSDb is the original release platform. Simple as that: PAL has a point here. His stuff wasn't release elsewhere and just added here as part of the "convenient portal to scene releases". It was released here and he wanted to revoke it. And he can't. And I believe he had similar problems before, like GRG f.e. had: "Copyright fraud" or whatever the fitting phrase is. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3034 |
Quote: My intention was not to start argueing about sense or nonsense of competitions on CSDb. Just the "whatever you post on CSDb stays on CSDb" is not sufficient anymore, when CSDb is the original release platform. Simple as that: PAL has a point here. His stuff wasn't release elsewhere and just added here as part of the "convenient portal to scene releases". It was released here and he wanted to revoke it. And he can't. And I believe he had similar problems before, like GRG f.e. had: "Copyright fraud" or whatever the fitting phrase is.
Scene doesn't copy real life in how intelectual properties and personal rights are concerned. Scener's reputation is judged by his actions and by how he behaves. Ripping, transforming, remixing, copying, stealing, things like that were happenning through the history of scene and some of those actions resulted in art and some in shame. (Well, this is Joe's ground I'm not too good in intelectual talk about art I must admit;-)) General C64 scene, evolved from cracking scene and there is sort of doublethink around how copyright and distribution rights are treated in the scene.
Yes, EU politicians enforced policies for internet and gave general population tools to pursue whatever rights they consider important for themselves considering their digital presence, but can scener call himself a scener when using these tools? CSDB is not scene of course, but it's documenting it. It's not owning the information, it's just archiving it for other sceners benefit. And there are people in mod team who are guarding every piece of information, even information that might upset someone sometimes, because it's part of their, not so glorious history. It's cooperative effort of many free spirited people involved. Every byte is important here, for bigger picture, just like on real machine. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2062 |
Though I like some drama every now and then, I think this time it was more than obvious a case of "Never go full CSDb when drunk". On the other hand, that our mods have a talent to APPEAR a little arrogant, is a well-known fact. However, the question HAS been tried to answered by mods, e.g. by linking to long existing threads about the same topic (though with no real outcome apart from CSDb balanced average being a mystery/nuclear rocket science).
OT: I've got no problem with CSDb as compo platform. Relying on CSDb votes(!) to determine ranking might not be the best idea, indeed.
Ragequitting because of this trivial matter... MEH, I don't really hope so. Reminds me of some wise guy who once stated: Whosoever ragequits, has decided to quit anyway, and was just looking for an occasion or even creating drama on purpose as an alibi to quit. Nothing really happened, so I don't see why anybody would have to go to extremes. |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3132 |
You have to consider uploads made on CSDb as like you have spread your disk to all your contacts. There is no way to make all of them delete it if you regret doing it, they already have spread your disk to their contacts anyway and your release is out there. |
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Scan
Registered: Dec 2015
Posts: 110 |
What goes online stays online. |
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Copyfault
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 466 |
Quoting PALI really feel sorry for something I also do not know what happened in... but Algorithm I never wanted anything bad between me and you and I just had a blast with you and also tried to be me for you.... I understand that I did something wrong but I will never understand what I did wrong because I never understood it... I would like to finalize our demo any day - lets do it some day in the future. You are real great and also a very jolly bloke when you are in mood.
A demo by PAL+Algo??? Sounds like a dream to come true, at least for me as a gfx-mode-fanboy and a PAL-pixelcraft-lover!!! Please make it real;) |
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PAL
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 269 |
algo coded some real cool parts with my graphics, they should shine in the lights of nerd galore some day! They are real great! Algo is beyond insane in his membrane of demo coding! One of the best there is he is and it is a shame that he do not get that credit in a way... wooohooo - he is super great! |
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Style
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 498 |
Quote: algo coded some real cool parts with my graphics, they should shine in the lights of nerd galore some day! They are real great! Algo is beyond insane in his membrane of demo coding! One of the best there is he is and it is a shame that he do not get that credit in a way... wooohooo - he is super great!
He has a rating of 9.39/10 :) |
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PAL
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 269 |
best algo there is! |
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Copyfault
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 466 |
Quoting PAL[..]wooohooo - he is super great! Just like you with your magic pixeling gifts :) Just had to stress this once again 'cause it seems it got a little lost in your oh-so-true adulation for algo! |
