[CSDb] - User Forums - Event id #2985 : Filterless $21 Compo 2020

Ok I think that should be everything. Please let me know if I should add anything, not sure if people will be able to submit entries with everything set up as it is now.

2020-09-02 23:50

JackAsser

Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 1987

Quote: Hahaha, ouch!

;) :*

2020-09-03 00:16

Stinsen

Registered: Feb 2012
Posts: 71

Nice idea for a compo, I like it!

Two questions:

* Why no 2sid, I think could have been nice.
* Covers allowed? Needs clarification. :D

2020-09-03 00:19

Eric Dobek
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Thanks, I just added that rule. No multiSID because with one waveform, you don't need more than one SID chip. The point of this compo is to encourage you to be creative with the bare basics of the SID chip, so instead of using multiple SID chips, you can use reverb or vibrato, for example.

2020-09-03 12:24

Mibri

Registered: Feb 2018
Posts: 197

This should be interesting!

2020-09-03 13:02

Frantic

Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1627

@Eric: Yes, I always liked the reverb functionality of the SID chip. ;) Sorry, couldn't resist. The intention is not to sound like a jerk, but rather to ask:

What do you mean? There is no reverb in the SID (even though ppl like Geir Tjelta have experimented with creation of reverb efx using some cpu intensive code).

2020-09-03 13:34

Mibri

Registered: Feb 2018
Posts: 197

Quote: @Eric: Yes, I always liked the reverb functionality of the SID chip. ;) Sorry, couldn't resist. The intention is not to sound like a jerk, but rather to ask:

What do you mean? There is no reverb in the SID (even though ppl like Geir Tjelta have experimented with creation of reverb efx using some cpu intensive code).

I thought that maybe he meant pattern-based 'delay' effects through manipulating 6xx or something, though I'm not sure...

2020-09-03 14:34

McMeatLoaf

Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 105

Quote: I thought that maybe he meant pattern-based 'delay' effects through manipulating 6xx or something, though I'm not sure...

6xx - I guess you mean sustain fx in Goattracker?

2020-09-03 15:03

Mibri

Registered: Feb 2018
Posts: 197

Quote: 6xx - I guess you mean sustain fx in Goattracker?

Yeah that's what I mean, like having a quieter note (with a lower sustain level set using 6xx) after an initial note to make for an 'echo'.

2020-09-03 15:16

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote:

Covers allowed? Needs clarification. :D

please!

2020-09-03 15:36

F7sus4

Registered: Apr 2013
Posts: 112

Quoting Eric Dobek

No testbit or zero waveform allowed outside routine's hardrestart phase

So if I understand correctly, $28/$29 might be used, but only for the purpose of hardrestart.

What about trackers where you are forced to program your own hardrestart "routines" as there is no internal predefined code executing them? I'm thinking about defMON specifically.

Is there a limit of frames on how long may $28/29 last? If so, what is the minimum frame interval when may it be used again? Can $28/29 be rapidly switched to $21/$20 during that hardrestart routine? :-)

I think you see where is this going? I know Jammer does, and maybe he'll help regarding the details. (Maybe no testbit rule would be better?)

2020-09-03 16:17

tlr

Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1702

I don't think there will be jailtime involved if you bend the rules a little. :) At worst it could result in a public flogging on here, but only a tiny bit. ;)

2020-09-03 17:27

spider-j

Registered: Oct 2004
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What F7sus4 said.

Allow testbit or don't allow testbit. Don't make up rules that depend on specific play routines.

EDIT: the same applies to waveform 0

2020-09-03 19:49

Eric Dobek
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Ok, just to clear up things, testbit will not be allowed.

2020-09-03 20:31

spider-j

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Quoting Eric Dobek

Ok, just to clear up things, testbit will not be allowed.

*thumbsup* What about 0 waveform?

2020-09-03 21:08

Mibri

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So basically, wave-wise, we’re allowed $20, $21, $22, and $23. Got it. :)

2020-09-03 21:53

Eric Dobek
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Yep. Again, if you have any more questions about this compo, send a message here or PM me, whatever works for you.

2020-09-03 23:07

Jammer

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Quoting spider-j

*thumbsup* What about 0 waveform?

READ GODDAMN RULES AT COMPO PAGE!

2020-09-03 23:14

F7sus4

Registered: Apr 2013
Posts: 112

Quote: Quoting spider-j
*thumbsup* What about 0 waveform?

READ GODDAMN RULES AT COMPO PAGE!

Using current compo rules, $00 waveform is allowed for the purpose of hard-restart routine and therefore, it falls under the same issue as test-bit did. I assume it requires additional clarification.

2020-09-03 23:26

spider-j

Registered: Oct 2004
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Quoting Jammer

READ GODDAMN RULES AT COMPO PAGE!

?!? Eric just added a comment about that. How would I've been able to read that already in the past before the comment was added? ;-)

2020-09-03 23:29

Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
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I assumed you've figured out that if initial rules stated no testbit or zero wave outside HR and Eric changed testbit not to be used whatsoever, it automatically applies for zero wave as well, doesn't it? ;)

2020-09-03 23:40

F7sus4

Registered: Apr 2013
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Quote: I assumed you've figured out that if initial rules stated no testbit or zero wave outside HR and Eric changed testbit not to be used whatsoever, it automatically applies for zero wave as well, doesn't it? ;)

Assumptions are bad and lead to unfounded conclusions, because logic, m'kay.

It's just the test-bit that became prohibited, but not $00 during "hard-restart routines". I'd advocate for prohibiting $00 as well, for the very same reasons as test-bit.

2020-09-03 23:42

spider-j

Registered: Oct 2004
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Quoting Jammer

I assumed you've figured out that if initial rules stated no testbit or zero wave outside HR and Eric changed testbit not to be used whatsoever, it automatically applies for zero wave as well, doesn't it? ;)

No it doesn't. Upper nibble = waveform, lower nibble = gate-bit, test-bit etc... The rules when I wrote my question were just about the lower nibble (testbit). So $01 would have been a valid HR waveform.

Anyway, HR isn't allowed anymore – and yep, I get that this also includes the upper nibble now. And that means we can't use GoatTracker at all...

2020-09-03 23:44

Jammer

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'No testbit or zero waveform allowed outside routine's hardrestart phase' stated by initial rules

zero waveform means 4 upper bits disabled in whatever combination with 4 lower bits

2020-09-03 23:47

spider-j

Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 443

Quoting Jammer

'No testbit or zero waveform allowed outside routine's hardrestart phase' stated by initial rules

Yes, I got that. But my question came up *after* Eric changed the "initial rules" ;-)

2020-09-03 23:48

Jammer

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You want to push your fucking luck today or what?! I'm not in the mood today. Seriously.

2020-09-03 23:49

F7sus4

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Quoting spider-j

And that means we can't use GoatTracker at all...

I'm not very proficient with how hard-coded GT routines work, but technically you can do ADSR "soft-restarts" with just $20 and $21 on the board, if that's the case and if I understood you properly.

2020-09-03 23:57

Jammer

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Quoting F7sus4

I'm not very proficient with how hard-coded GT routines work, but technically you can do ADSR "soft-restarts" with just $20 and $21 on the board, if that's the case and if I understood you properly.

Indeed, compo rules don't forbid handling sound restart with adsr in any way possible.

2020-09-04 00:03

spider-j

Registered: Oct 2004
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Quoting F7sus4

Quoting spider-j
And that means we can't use GoatTracker at all...

I'm not very proficient with how hard-coded GT routines work, but technically you can do ADSR "soft-restarts" with just $20 and $21 on the board, if that's the case and if I understood you properly.

You have three values for HR in GT:
You can adjust the HR ADSR value.
You can adjust the "1st Frame Wave".
You can adjust the "HR/Gate Timer" (but at least to $01 – not to $00).

So that basically means in order to comply with the rules you can set HR ADSR to whatever you want and "1st Frame Wave" to $20, $21, $22, $23. But you can _not_ turn off HR completely – which means writing "1st Frame Wave" parameter one frame before new note (means: no frequency) into $D404, $D40B or $D412 with HR ADSR values in $D405, $D40C or $D413.

@Jammer: I don't get the problem. I just wanted to know what values to enter in the fields mentioned above. After the rules changed this just isn't clear to me anymore. If it is to you: well good for you. No reason to get pissed, just because I'm dumb :-P

EDIT:
quote from the updated rules:
Quote:

hard restart is not allowed

2020-09-04 00:24

F7sus4

Registered: Apr 2013
Posts: 112

And yet another thing...

Quoting Erik Dobek

Filtertable not allowed (Check the title, it's right there)

It's technically possible to turn the filter mask on/off without using/setting any variables in the filtertables. That opens door to many possibilities.

2020-09-04 00:33

Eric Dobek
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Even if so, again, this event is filterless, so that is not allowed, thank you very much.

2020-09-04 02:23

ChristopherJam

Registered: Aug 2004
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Aww, not testbit at all now? All my plans relied on briefly setting testbit at note start - much as the "must be part of HR routine and not wavetable" framing was unsettling me.

Still, probably no great loss as I've missed two music compo deadlines in the last three weeks already; chances of me hitting this one were less than even.

Also wait, I thought HR just meant "make sure you capture rc so the next note starts cleanly" - and all you really need for that is two frames of gate off, release of zero...

2020-09-04 08:32

F7sus4

Registered: Apr 2013
Posts: 112

Quoting ChristopherJam

much as the "must be part of HR routine and not wavetable"

Some trackers have manual hard-restarts only, so you basically need to call proper wavetable values, instead of choosing hard-coded routine.

Quoting ChristopherJam

make sure you capture rc so the next note starts cleanly" - and all you really need for that is two frames of gate off, release of zero...

That's very much the point of excluding test-bit, however, it may become problematic if the tracker cannot customize its HR routine NOT to use test-bit during the time.

2020-09-04 12:49

ChristopherJam

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The test bit has nothing to do with the envelope, it only resets the oscillator phase.

2020-09-04 13:00

tlr

Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1702

Quoting ChristopherJam

The test bit has nothing to do with the envelope, it only resets the oscillator phase.

In common HR usage it does however blank out the oscillator output during the initial attack phase of the envelope, effectively truncating the start of the env curve.

2020-09-04 13:01

F7sus4

Registered: Apr 2013
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Quote: The test bit has nothing to do with the envelope, it only resets the oscillator phase.

Yes, obviously, but that wasn't the point. Again, if any tracker happens to use testbit in its restart routine because of the internal code, such tune cannot comply to the current rules right now. The same applies to zero waveform and from what I see, this was an issue for @spider-j.

2020-09-04 13:29

ChristopherJam

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Ah, of course(s)! Thanks tlr & F7sus4.

2020-09-04 14:28

Joe

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 224

With so much energy on a pedantic level of the rules I'd expect nothing less from the results at this compo, You guys are hilarious!
21 used to be the bus-line from school and home as expressway for me in my youth, so the number is kind of special.
I bet one could do just as much as one ever dreamed of, with just sawtooth waveforms; drums, leads, solos, arpeggios, chords.
Good luck guys, I'll be listening and vote as usual: "The gfx-guy who is a sucker for music".

2020-09-04 14:48

JackAsser

Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 1987

Quote: Yes, obviously, but that wasn't the point. Again, if any tracker happens to use testbit in its restart routine because of the internal code, such tune cannot comply to the current rules right now. The same applies to zero waveform and from what I see, this was an issue for @spider-j.

They do comply. That use case is explicitly allowed:

"No testbit or zero waveform allowed ___outside___ routine's hardrestart phase"

2020-09-04 15:33

Joe

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 224

So? Seriously would that even make any difference? I hear lousy musicians cry in vain ;D

2020-09-04 15:52

Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1289

Quoting F7sus4

Again, if any tracker happens to use testbit in its restart routine because of the internal code, such tune cannot comply to the current rules right now. The same applies to zero waveform and from what I see, this was an issue for @spider-j.

You brought it on yourselves, guys, didn't you? :D First draft of rules was both friendly and specific on the subject - what Jackasser said, basically ;)

2020-09-04 16:12

Linus

Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 638

Are we allowed to release our tracks with specific instructions? Like having to throw a blanket over the speakers before hitting that play button to compensate for the missing lowpass filter? Couldn't find anything about blankets in the rules :(

2020-09-04 16:15

Joe

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 224

I have to agree: Fesus just gives 5-6's to his competitors material on CSDb in general, but writes ok stuff about it, whilst he hits them in their back? It's quite lame from a guy who does ok stuff himself? He is on my future shit-list onwards.

2020-09-04 16:29

tlr

Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1702

Quote: They do comply. That use case is explicitly allowed:

"No testbit or zero waveform allowed ___outside___ routine's hardrestart phase"

Though the last comment was "Ok, so here is yet another update. Zero waveforms, or $00, is not allowed in this compo. Furthermore, hard restart is not allowed, and the only bits allowed in this compo are $20, $21, $22, and $23."

I think it's quite fresh that it's so restricted. Will force people to do unorthodox sound design. :)

And you still have up to 16-speed to play with. Not too limiting IMO.

2020-09-04 16:42

ChristopherJam

Registered: Aug 2004
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I miss those halcyon days, when testbit was allowed at start of note. Can we go back to them, please?

2020-09-04 16:58

F7sus4

Registered: Apr 2013
Posts: 112

Interesting why rules clarification requires running fuss commentary.

Quoting JackAsser

No testbit or zero waveform allowed ___outside___ routine's hardrestart phase"

Not all trackers (and their players) have such thing as "hardrestart routine". There are some where you call proper bits manually.

This leads to question: how (when running an already compiled tune) will it be possible to know whether the tune is actually hardrestarting ADSR+oscilloscope using player's internal routine and when manually?

There are quite a bunch of interesting tricks to do with test-bit and zero-wave in high-multispeed tunes.

I do believe the question is valid for the purpose of the compo and there's no need for any ad hominem bullshit.

2020-09-04 17:03

Joe

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 224

So go do a tune, you Ad Hoc dude :D

2020-09-04 17:07

F7sus4

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Quote: So go do a tune, you Ad Hoc dude :D

I probably will, once we have rules set in stone. What is wrong in asking about the details, remind me please?

2020-09-04 17:15

Joe

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 224

In a stone? Wow, back to the relics? Well, Stop pretending you are something you are not and stop voting cowardly as I've seen you've doing for quite some time and just pretend you understand a competion when it's at. Simple as that. You could be a hero, for the moment you are not :D

2020-09-04 17:20

F7sus4

Registered: Apr 2013
Posts: 112

It looks like you missed what this topic is about quite terribly.

2020-09-04 17:24

Joe

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Posts: 224

I did? Lol, I'm a gfx dude, most probably some of the releases will have my stuff plastered onto it, but it seems you will go workless this time. Hope you find something else at your target next time: Enjoy!

2020-09-04 17:27

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11090

Fill me in - Some ppl seem to think testbits make their music any better?

2020-09-04 19:46

Conrad

Registered: Nov 2006
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Testbit is really useful for a proper/unbroken noise-waveform phase effect ;), but that won't apply to this compo obviously.

2020-09-04 20:25

F7sus4

Registered: Apr 2013
Posts: 112

Quote: Fill me in - Some ppl seem to think testbits make their music any better?

Testbit and zero waveforms might actually be used to render some utterly twisted/weird sounds, which is why restricting them makes sense for "plain" $21 compo. On the other hand, it might affect players having testbit hard-coded in their HR routine. It's up to Eric.

2020-09-04 22:01

chatGPZ

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Some ppl think their weird sounds make their music any better?

Make music not sounds

2020-09-04 22:11

iAN CooG

Registered: May 2002
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Quote: Some ppl think their weird sounds make their music any better?

Make music not sounds

+1 this.

2020-09-05 22:25

Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1289

I like making music with sounds :D

2020-09-07 08:34

Flotsam

Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 80

I love sounds. I love melodies. I love rhythms. The combination of these allow a huge variety of music and I love it all (except Arttu Wiskari). There's no reason to try separate the components from each other or to compare them - they are a big mess that can't survive without each other.

2020-09-07 11:35

Mibri

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Quote: I love sounds. I love melodies. I love rhythms. The combination of these allow a huge variety of music and I love it all (except Arttu Wiskari). There's no reason to try separate the components from each other or to compare them - they are a big mess that can't survive without each other.

Flotsam, I want this post tattooed on my forehead (excepting the Arttu Wiskari reference since I don’t know who they are, though I suspect that this is for the best).

Listen, the handling of sound spectra managed by dealing in timbres and textures (otherwise known as ‘making sounds’, I suppose) is an integral part of composition for a lot of musicians in involved in SID music and indeed beyond. Some musicians put a greater degree of emphasis on this than others, much like how some musicians are more concerned with writing ‘catchy’ melodies than others, some musicians are more concerned with devising clever and original rhythms than others, and some musicians are more concerned with trying to make the hardest, nastiest, most upset-the-neighbours stuff possible than others. Ultimately, it’s all valid!

I haven’t read the entirety of this thread and I don’t really wish to; I just wanted to pop in to try and encourage some understanding between the more orthodox, melody-driven composers/listeners and those of us who like to try on funny hats from time to time. Hopefully this compo will produce some great tunes of many sorts - the restrictions are brutal, but there’s always a way...

2020-09-07 15:27

No-XS

Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 78

I won't enter, because I don't know what testbit is. I can make a wv21, but not sure about that testbit etc.

2020-09-07 16:58

ChristopherJam

Registered: Aug 2004
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Much love to Jammer, Flotsam, and Mibri for the sentiments you've expressed in the last few comments. Beautifully put, all of you.

2020-09-07 17:00

ChristopherJam

Registered: Aug 2004
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No-XS: Perhaps don't stress it, and write a tune anyway?

At this point I'm feeling inspired by all of the other rules, so I'm just going to try and do an entry before the deadline that passes on all those counts, and ignore the test bit dramas altogether. If it's out of compo, it's out of compo - it's still a nice excuse to try and make+release something a bit different :)

2020-09-08 07:36

booker
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Quoting spider-j

So that basically means in order to comply with the rules you can set HR ADSR to whatever you want and "1st Frame Wave" to $20, $21, $22, $23. But you can _not_ turn off HR completely – which means writing "1st Frame Wave" parameter one frame before new note (means: no frequency) into $D404, $D40B or $D412 with HR ADSR values in $D405, $D40C or $D413.

From manual, you can:

Instrument legato works as following: When HR/Gate Timer parameter has bit $40
set, no hard restart or gateoff will be performed. When 1st Frame Wave is also
$00, no 1st frame waveform will be set and gate flag is untouched. However wave/
pulse/filterpointers and ADSR are initialized normally. You can also use this in
conjunction with command 8XY to set another wavetable pointer for the note.

2020-09-08 18:19

Richard

Registered: Dec 2001
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Nice idea. I need to think what I can compose with $21, $23 wave forms

2020-09-09 11:53

tlr

Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1702

From the entry: Filterless $21 Compo 2020
Quote:

Submitted by Eric Dobek [PM] on 7 September 2020
Because no HR complicates things, HR will be allowed again. Also, still keep in mind $20, $21, $22, and $23 are the only waveforms allowed. Time will tell if this will be the last rule change or not.

So I assume this from the original post is valid again?
Quote:

No testbit or zero waveform allowed outside routine's hardrestart phase (don't put it in the wavetable or the patterns of your song)

... and I'm all for not being too strict on the entries. Just keep very close to the spirit of the event. The entries so far are fantastic!

2020-09-09 13:02

Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
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That's actually tricky because...

Player's routine can use HR but you can only use $20, $21, $22, $23 inside HR ;)

2020-09-09 14:57

tlr

Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1702

Quote: That's actually tricky because...

Player's routine can use HR but you can only use $20, $21, $22, $23 inside HR ;)

Kind of ambiguous, but sure it can be interpreted as only envelope reset/restart is allowed, no phase reset on oscillators. It could be argued that HR actually means the phase reset part of it though.

Ultimately I stand by my request of not being too strict with the judgement of entries and entrants keeping very close to the spirit of the compo.

2020-09-09 15:13

Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1289

I wouldn't be strict about it as well. It wasn't difficult for me to comply 100%, using GT routine, but different players might offer differ solutions. Besides, it's quite easy to judge if any restarts were used deliberately for special effects or just forced by player.

2020-09-10 11:20

F7sus4

Registered: Apr 2013
Posts: 112

Quoting Jammer

Besides, it's quite easy to judge if any restarts were used deliberately for special effects or just forced by player.

True. However, it is often problematic to translate common sense into inviolable rules. To sum up, the whole discussion (completely unnecessarily emotional at some points) was solely about that.

On the other hand, creative test-bit ~~abuse~~ usage would probably be more beneficial sound-wise with $11 waveform rather than $21.

2020-09-10 12:04

Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1289

Indeed, sawtooth and testbit aren't that radical together. But still very interesting as it sounds like AY envelope modulation pretty much :D

2020-09-29 19:40

Thunder.Bird

Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 109

Could someone please confirm my thoughts, that all these SID songs will run on partially broken SID chips (where Filter settings won't work anymore)?

What I'm asking is:

What could benefit of these filterless SID tunes?
Is it the C64 DTV or just for fun? Could this lead to another invention of sound by SID?

2020-09-29 21:07

Eric Dobek
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Quote: Could someone please confirm my thoughts, that all these SID songs will run on partially broken SID chips (where Filter settings won't work anymore)?

What I'm asking is:

What could benefit of these filterless SID tunes?
Is it the C64 DTV or just for fun? Could this lead to another invention of sound by SID?

Perhaps, but I don't have a C64 on me. If someone would be willing to do such a thing, that would make for a pretty interesting video. Since the compo finishes tomorrow, I'll go make a couple more posts. Should have a voting sheet up soon.

2020-10-09 14:02

Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1289

Fuck, I missed voting form! :O Now it's over :/

2020-10-09 15:53

ChristopherJam

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1370

Oh wait, there was only 5 days for voting?

Damn, I've missed the compo deadline *and* the voting deadline :(

continues to work on an out of compo tune at a glacial pace

2020-10-09 16:02

freℚvibez

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 27

Quote: Oh wait, there was only 5 days for voting?

Damn, I've missed the compo deadline *and* the voting deadline :(

continues to work on an out of compo tune at a glacial pace

Same here, can we repeat that compo, please? :)

2020-10-10 10:04

Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1289

Congrats to the worthy winner! \o/

2020-10-10 12:11

Mibri

Registered: Feb 2018
Posts: 197

Thanks for hosting, Eric, and well done Linus on the win! Very interesting compo. :) celticdesign should definitely have placed much higher.

2020-10-10 20:17

Shogoon

Registered: Jul 2007
Posts: 18

Grats to Linus and other musicians for awesome entries!

2020-10-11 09:15

F7sus4

Registered: Apr 2013
Posts: 112

By the way, it looks like Shogoon's entry also became #1 CSDb one-file demo. Quite an achievement for (supposedly) a music compo entry. ;-)

Congrats to all-and-everyone!

2020-10-13 08:05

Flotsam

Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 80

Thanks Eric for doing this. Always a good thing to force people out of their comfort zone (well, the likes of Linus & Jammer probably have a comfort zone that includes EVERYTHING, so this doesn't really apply to SID gods ;). It certainly worked for me, i wouldn't have done my song without the compo.

And congrats to all, great tunes all of them. :)

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