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2021-01-25 01:31
anonym

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 243
Event id #3011 : Transmission 64

Three months to Transmission 64. Are YOU working on your demo, music and graphics already?

We will host a
* demo competition
* 4k competition
* music competition
* graphic competition
* PETSCII competition
 
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2021-04-09 23:40
Copyfault

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 466
Quoting The Sarge
This sounds great. Actually I think you have one person in your team that have a picture that looks rather good. The Mibri show is pretty close with the colours to what we are used to see. It bleeds a bit but it just makes it look like a CRT so that is OK.[...]
I have to second this! Mibri's setup gives colours that look like true c64 colours and not like the Revision-stream-distorted ones (plus it handles interlace very nicely in most cases;)).

Is it correct that they used an U64 for the c64 stuff at Revision?? @Transmission64-team: if so, please avoid using it or at least check the configuration features to tune the colours right...
2021-04-10 03:15
Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2804
Quoting Copyfault
not like the Revision-stream-distorted ones
Haha, yeah, and they even ranted about the C-64's palette. 16 shades of brown master race!
2021-04-10 06:42
Frantic

Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1626
Quote:
Mibri's setup gives colours that look like true c64 colours


What equipment is involved in Mibri's setup?
2021-04-10 07:17
anonym

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 243
Thank you all for tasking Mibri with doing more of the compo recording <3 We'll still be doing some tests, but this is important feedback.

For those who want to jog their memory, Mibri has some recordings of previous streams here:
https://www.twitch.tv/mibric64/videos

And Case also has some recordings of the streams here:
https://www.youtube.com/user/c45e64/videos

I'll let him answer the questions regarding the equipment, but one thing I'm pretty sure about is that he doesn't have a Lumafix.
2021-04-10 08:56
The Sarge

Registered: Aug 2002
Posts: 42
Chris Wicked recorded twitch stream on Case Youtube page is way too oversaturated, while Mibris looks good.
I have had several pictures shown on Mibris and all looks as they look here when I created them.

I use a Ultimate 64 connected via an analogue signal to my CRT and regulary check stuff I do on that one. From what I have read (I haven't tested it myself) is that the HDMI output from the Ultimate 64 makes the colours differ from the analogue output. The analogue output is stellar with the latests firmware (1.37), its only the brown that is a bit off and seems slightly more redish but its bareable.
So I suggest using analogue output if you plan on using the Ultimate64.
2021-04-10 23:07
Copyfault

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 466
Quoting Krill
Quoting Copyfault
not like the Revision-stream-distorted ones
Haha, yeah, and they even ranted about the C-64's palette. 16 shades of brown master race!
Yes, indeed! The compo-block moderators behaved somewhat arrogant when it came to C64 graphics, or was it just me being too thin-skinned? Plus I completely disagree with the comments (better: ranting) on the C64's colour palette being "not the best" up to "16 shades of brown" - considering how PAL works and given its mixing possibilites, it is close to the best partitioning one could come up with. Like I wrote already somewhere: this was system-bashing in a multi-platform compo! Disappointing!

Sorry for the offtopic-ness, had to get rid of it!
2021-04-12 00:58
anonym

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 243
Fascinating feedback here. At least for demos, I have to be honest, I'm not that fond of seeing them in Mibri's stream due to skipped frames and jitter that gets added on occasion. Scrollers should look smooth where possible. We'll do our best, but I have a feeling we won't make everyone happy.
2021-04-12 18:06
Burglar

Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1027
I wholeheartedly disagree with what some said about stream quality: solid 50fps is far more important than color accuracy (and since when do ppl agree on which palette is right;).

Unless there's only a gfx compo, I would choose proper framerate over palette every time. 30fps is not cutting it :)
2021-04-13 13:30
Trap

Registered: Jul 2010
Posts: 221
I am sure that if somebody cracks the 50.125mhz to 50mhz capture conversion that is causing the stutter in pretty much all c64 video captures, that person would be a hero.
2021-04-13 13:39
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11088
it can be done, but the equipment needed wont be trivial :) ie capture at 50.125Hz, then slow it down to 50Hz (which wont be noticable afterall)
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