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anonym
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 247 |
Event id #3011 : Transmission 64
Three months to Transmission 64. Are YOU working on your demo, music and graphics already?
We will host a
* demo competition
* 4k competition
* music competition
* graphic competition
* PETSCII competition |
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anonym
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 247 |
Thank you all for tasking Mibri with doing more of the compo recording <3 We'll still be doing some tests, but this is important feedback.
For those who want to jog their memory, Mibri has some recordings of previous streams here:
https://www.twitch.tv/mibric64/videos
And Case also has some recordings of the streams here:
https://www.youtube.com/user/c45e64/videos
I'll let him answer the questions regarding the equipment, but one thing I'm pretty sure about is that he doesn't have a Lumafix. |
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The Sarge
Registered: Aug 2002
Posts: 42 |
Chris Wicked recorded twitch stream on Case Youtube page is way too oversaturated, while Mibris looks good.
I have had several pictures shown on Mibris and all looks as they look here when I created them.
I use a Ultimate 64 connected via an analogue signal to my CRT and regulary check stuff I do on that one. From what I have read (I haven't tested it myself) is that the HDMI output from the Ultimate 64 makes the colours differ from the analogue output. The analogue output is stellar with the latests firmware (1.37), its only the brown that is a bit off and seems slightly more redish but its bareable.
So I suggest using analogue output if you plan on using the Ultimate64. |
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Copyfault
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quoting KrillQuoting Copyfaultnot like the Revision-stream-distorted ones Haha, yeah, and they even ranted about the C-64's palette. 16 shades of brown master race! Yes, indeed! The compo-block moderators behaved somewhat arrogant when it came to C64 graphics, or was it just me being too thin-skinned? Plus I completely disagree with the comments (better: ranting) on the C64's colour palette being "not the best" up to "16 shades of brown" - considering how PAL works and given its mixing possibilites, it is close to the best partitioning one could come up with. Like I wrote already somewhere: this was system-bashing in a multi-platform compo! Disappointing!
Sorry for the offtopic-ness, had to get rid of it! |
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anonym
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 247 |
Fascinating feedback here. At least for demos, I have to be honest, I'm not that fond of seeing them in Mibri's stream due to skipped frames and jitter that gets added on occasion. Scrollers should look smooth where possible. We'll do our best, but I have a feeling we won't make everyone happy. |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1031 |
I wholeheartedly disagree with what some said about stream quality: solid 50fps is far more important than color accuracy (and since when do ppl agree on which palette is right;).
Unless there's only a gfx compo, I would choose proper framerate over palette every time. 30fps is not cutting it :) |
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Trap
Registered: Jul 2010
Posts: 222 |
I am sure that if somebody cracks the 50.125mhz to 50mhz capture conversion that is causing the stutter in pretty much all c64 video captures, that person would be a hero. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11107 |
it can be done, but the equipment needed wont be trivial :) ie capture at 50.125Hz, then slow it down to 50Hz (which wont be noticable afterall) |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2839 |
Quoting TrapI am sure that if somebody cracks the 50.125mhz to 50mhz capture conversion that is causing the stutter in pretty much all c64 video captures, that person would be a hero. This doesn't concern me much, as it should produce a skipped frame only once in every few seconds. Plus most PCs cannot really output smooth video anyways, even less so with video coming in from the net. =)
However, one of my pet peeves are video ADCs which insist that PAL signal MUST be interlaced. :)
So they ignore that a C-64 (or any other machine of that era) outputs progressive 50-ish FPS video, then stubbornly add half a rasterline of toggling Y-offset to their 50 FPS output signal.
Makes for somewhat nervously twitching still pictures and de-/interlacing artefacts down the pipeline. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11107 |
Thats why at Revision we had to use those Imagepro HD scan converters ... the others couldnt do the field->frame conversion |
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anonym
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 247 |
Thank you all for your feedback.
On a lighter note, we've got a bunch of shout-outs from other attendees, so check those out in the meantime:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iXF13NRV48&list=PLZrOu95tr-T6r..
There's still some more coming, so keep watching, this is a playlist with 6 so far, I'll add new ones there as well. |
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