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2021-06-10 15:45
MuZZa

Registered: Nov 2020
Posts: 7
Group id #11406 : Neonazi Cracking Crew

Hi all, I remember when we wanted to register on CSDB. almost a year requesting to we be admitted (literally a year asking to be allowed to create an account) for we be able to upload our stuff... And suddenly, by magic, we see that a group that proclaims itself "neonazi" with only one release during the '87, has an entry in the database. Sorry guys, it's inevitable for us, to ask ourselves, which is the objective of giving visibility to a group called NEONAZI... also that it doesn't even have big productions to be considered of importance for the demoscene (not even mentioning them).
if you have a table with 10 people and a nazi. So, you have a table with 11 nazis ... we are not sitting at that table.
Without the intention of generating discussion.
Moderator you can close this thread.
Best Regards,
The Codeblasters.
 
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2021-06-10 17:27
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 9913
Quote:
You are mixing two different things.

nope. you are trying to make it different things. there is no reason whatsoever to not document those releases. documenting them is in no way related to acknowledging them, condemning them, or whatever else. Think of a history book.
2021-06-10 17:29
Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 1916
The funny thing is that their group name and that one release can be offensive only with historical context.

There doesn't seem to be any actual racist, fascist or otherwise objectionable text or speech contained. The intro scrolltext is perfectly innocuous.

If some person or extraterrestrial alien who'd never heard of Nazis, some guy called Adolf or repurposed swastikas checked out that crack, they wouldn't bat an eyelid. =)
2021-06-10 17:32
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 9913
As IAN said, there are way more questionable things in old C64 releases (including actual nazi propaganda). And documenting that fact is a good thing in my book - removing it serves little purpose.
2021-06-10 17:43
MuZZa

Registered: Nov 2020
Posts: 7
Quote: As IAN said, there are way more questionable things in old C64 releases (including actual nazi propaganda). And documenting that fact is a good thing in my book - removing it serves little purpose.

Do any of these groups with all this propaganda do you really believe that they have contributed in some constructive way to the demoscene? Or they have just done what they usually do, which is to keep spreading their hatred and their shit. Sorry friend, but I still don't share your reasoning, although I fully understand what you are saying. Anyway, thanks for the answers, this exchange has helped us. We continue to discover groups and people from the demoscene that for years we didn't know.
2021-06-10 21:31
Count Zero

Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1350
CSDb for quite some time does not only cover "contributions" but indeed many debatable entries - and sceners :)

We have seen about anything from text hacks of normal games to spread hate, race tests, shooting Gadaffis children, racist or abusive samples, cartridges with Trump speech, Skinhead, Majesty - *WE* tolerate, laugh and on historic things even often facepalm about some teenage kids reality in the 80s/90s :) (*WE* were all left-winged commie punks of course! (Gifted with expensive electronics.))

Actually one could also take such things and maybe even dissect them just like there is now a public version of Mein Kampf page by page commented and explained by "expert" historians and nazi specialists. There you will find many people that see such changes on the "original Mein Kampf" *very* questionable as well btw. :)
2021-06-10 21:40
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 9913
Quote:
Do any of these groups with all this propaganda do you really believe that they have contributed in some constructive way to the demoscene?

thats irrelevant. if that'd be in some way a thing to consider about who or what is documented here, the majority of database entries would have to go.
2021-06-11 06:43
ChristopherJam

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1164
So, MuZZa had to wait for nearly a year, and NCC had to wait for 33 years? Seems reasonable :D

(but also yes, listen to Groepaz as usual)
2021-06-11 09:01
TheRyk

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 944
What I find way more relevant is the question what Arkanoid has to do with Adolf. I wondered that before in Phantoms of the Asteriod and Jul Adolf
2021-06-11 09:40
ChristopherJam

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1164
Hey maybe NCC were all about cracking neonazis' skulls open?

I mean, if there's nothing in the scrolltext either way the group name is really quite ambiguous.
2021-06-11 10:14
Frantic

Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1518
@CJam: Yeah, "Adolf" probably hated Adolf.
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