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2021-06-10 15:45

Registered: Nov 2020
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Group id #11406 : Neonazi Cracking Crew

Hi all, I remember when we wanted to register on CSDB. almost a year requesting to we be admitted (literally a year asking to be allowed to create an account) for we be able to upload our stuff... And suddenly, by magic, we see that a group that proclaims itself "neonazi" with only one release during the '87, has an entry in the database. Sorry guys, it's inevitable for us, to ask ourselves, which is the objective of giving visibility to a group called NEONAZI... also that it doesn't even have big productions to be considered of importance for the demoscene (not even mentioning them).
if you have a table with 10 people and a nazi. So, you have a table with 11 nazis ... we are not sitting at that table.
Without the intention of generating discussion.
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Best Regards,
The Codeblasters.
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2021-06-10 17:43

Registered: Nov 2020
Posts: 7
Quote: As IAN said, there are way more questionable things in old C64 releases (including actual nazi propaganda). And documenting that fact is a good thing in my book - removing it serves little purpose.

Do any of these groups with all this propaganda do you really believe that they have contributed in some constructive way to the demoscene? Or they have just done what they usually do, which is to keep spreading their hatred and their shit. Sorry friend, but I still don't share your reasoning, although I fully understand what you are saying. Anyway, thanks for the answers, this exchange has helped us. We continue to discover groups and people from the demoscene that for years we didn't know.
2021-06-10 21:31
Count Zero

Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1350
CSDb for quite some time does not only cover "contributions" but indeed many debatable entries - and sceners :)

We have seen about anything from text hacks of normal games to spread hate, race tests, shooting Gadaffis children, racist or abusive samples, cartridges with Trump speech, Skinhead, Majesty - *WE* tolerate, laugh and on historic things even often facepalm about some teenage kids reality in the 80s/90s :) (*WE* were all left-winged commie punks of course! (Gifted with expensive electronics.))

Actually one could also take such things and maybe even dissect them just like there is now a public version of Mein Kampf page by page commented and explained by "expert" historians and nazi specialists. There you will find many people that see such changes on the "original Mein Kampf" *very* questionable as well btw. :)
2021-06-10 21:40

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 9913
Do any of these groups with all this propaganda do you really believe that they have contributed in some constructive way to the demoscene?

thats irrelevant. if that'd be in some way a thing to consider about who or what is documented here, the majority of database entries would have to go.
2021-06-11 06:43

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1164
So, MuZZa had to wait for nearly a year, and NCC had to wait for 33 years? Seems reasonable :D

(but also yes, listen to Groepaz as usual)
2021-06-11 09:01

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 944
What I find way more relevant is the question what Arkanoid has to do with Adolf. I wondered that before in Phantoms of the Asteriod and Jul Adolf
2021-06-11 09:40

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1164
Hey maybe NCC were all about cracking neonazis' skulls open?

I mean, if there's nothing in the scrolltext either way the group name is really quite ambiguous.
2021-06-11 10:14

Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1518
@CJam: Yeah, "Adolf" probably hated Adolf.
2021-06-11 10:57

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 1916
I guess the use of swastikas in the intro is also quite ambiguous, then? :)
2021-06-11 11:06

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1164
Yes, they were probably just using the ancient Buddhist symbol to express their religious beliefs :D
2021-06-11 12:07

Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1518
@Cjam: I think you're onto something there! ;)

Anyway... While we're drifting away somewhat from the topic I might as well recommend the book "Ordinary Men" by Christopher Browning. It is interesting in the sense that it does not ask the question "How is it possible that THEY could do such evil things?", but rather "How is it that ordinary men, who were JUST LIKE US in many ways, could do these things?". If we're to "learn from history", as Ian pointed to, I think that is a more productive way to ask the question. While it may seem odd, most of us would have been Nazis — statistically speaking — if we were born in Germany in that time period. Personally I don't deletion of certain entries from CSDb solves much. :D
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