| |
TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2053 |
Event id #3244 : Intro Creation Competition 2022
<Post edited by TheRyk on 14/2-2023 23:59>
Now coders, warm your fingers, winter's coming :)
Quoting Didi in 2021 discussion...
@ThRyk: Feel free to organize something different for a change. I may participate.
OK, so I grab the torch and seize the chance to make some changes. Main new thing is, we want to do 8K/2K/1K this time, because
Quoting KrillQuoting TheRyk16K is boring :) I concur. That's practically unrestricted. =)
and 4K has been done very often over the years.
Stricter limits, but no more care about "RAM footprints", so we also need no discussion about whether this or that part of RAM/IO/ZP count or not etc. -> Crunched (or not crunched, your decision) file size matters but nothing else.
obligatory RULES for ALL categories
- works on a vanilla C64 (PAL standard) without any extensions
- 1 part intro, however, fade-ins and fade-outs are allowed
- shows at least one logo
- displays a changing/moving text message (e.g. scrolltext, text fading in/out...)
- has to be interruptable by SPACE
- no ripped or vastly recycled code; ripped gfx/music is allowed
- not released before entering the competition
- executable format startable with RUN
NEW! Using other VIC-Banks than %11 is forbidden, so don't use RAM higher than $3FFF (IO and Vectors in page $FF are ok).
<- reaction on complaints
8K
- crunched range is $0801 till maximum $27ff
- contains music
- is linked to this competition as "C64 Fast Intro" entry (lacking a more fitting category)
2K
- crunched range is $0801 till maximum $0fff
- is linked to this competition as "C64 2K Game" entry (lacking a more fitting category)
1K
- crunched range is $0801 till maximum $0bff
- is linked to this competition as "C64 1K Intro" entry
NEW crack-your-grinch-head-category
- get this .prg file and link it at $2000 (ranges till $CFFF)
https://csdb.dk/release/download.php?id=278763
e.g. in ACME
*= $2000
!bin "linkthis.prg",,2
- $2000-$CFFF must be the same before RUN and after SPACE press
- link your file to this competition as "C64 WiLD Demo" entry
More rules/info
Maximum 2 entries per participant and category, i.e. max. 6 altogether.
However, entries are allowed to be withdrawn from the compo in favour of new entries until deadline.
Deadline for entry submission is 29th Jan 2023, 23:59:59 CET.
Then voting runs from 14th Feb 2023 till Feb 28th 23:59:59 CET.
CSDb votes will NOT decide the result, there will be some half-smart alternative external solution,
anyone with a CSDb account will be granted access to voting, self-votes will be eliminated.
No material prizes can be won, though, apart from eternal fame and the mere fun of competing.
Have fun!
Cheers
Ryk
PS: I reserve the right to disqualify entries for violating competition rules or human rights, but as I value freedom of speech and art highly, this will hopefully not be necessary; just follow the rules, use common sense and don't be a dick, pretty please. |
|
| |
DKT
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 96 |
\o/ |
| |
MCM
Registered: Apr 2018
Posts: 21 |
Great, this will be fun. I try to throw in at least one intro. And hail to the new non RAM footprint counts anymore rule ! |
| |
chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11100 |
Hu, so it is allowed to use the entire RAM?
That's not an "Intro" at all then, and pretty boring in my book. Too bad. |
| |
Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1289 |
Just waiting for Krill's annual posting about inconsistent restrictions :D |
| |
chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11100 |
It's not inconsistent - its just not for "Intro". It's a "Onefile demo with speedcode generator" compo now. |
| |
Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1289 |
I agree that no runtime limit makes it way less fun but I'm still waiting for Krill's rants because Krill :D |
| |
ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1370 |
Yes, this is now a one file demo compo (DCC2022?), not an intro compo.
Still, a good selection of file size limits, and the lack of footprint limits opens the door for BitPickler (the cruncher used for Onscreen 5k). Hoping to release that by Christmas. |
| |
anonym
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 247 |
Thanks @TheRyk.
@ChristopherJam: Was BitPickler released anywhere? |
| |
ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1370 |
Quoting anonym@ChristopherJam: Was BitPickler released anywhere?
Quoting ChristopherJamHoping to release that by Christmas
:) |
| |
Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 933 |
Quote: Hu, so it is allowed to use the entire RAM?
That's not an "Intro" at all then, and pretty boring in my book. Too bad.
Could link it to a 4kb Game Coding Competition or so and still use it as an intro for a 4k game. |
| |
Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2825 |
Jammer: Thank you, thank you. :)
What Groepaz and ChristopherJam said.
Without any kind of RAM footprint restriction, only the logo and text requirement makes it a something-like-an-intro competition, but it's actually just a thinly veiled size-restricted-onefiled-demo competition. =)
Things like 8K were interesting with only 8K to play with at runtime, but with all RAM available it's pretty much unrestricted again, after all. |
| |
TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2053 |
OMG...
I aimed(!) at _less_ rule-whining...
too bad I failed.
X_D
Seriously, as no one made any entries yet, it's not too late to make changes.
New Rule: Using other VIC-Banks than %11 is forbidden, so don't use RAM higher than $3FFF (IO and Vectors in page $FF are ok).
But that's really all I'm willing to offer to the Grinches. |
| |
chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11100 |
So its basically a 16k intro? ;_; |
| |
Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2825 |
Quoting GroepazSo its basically a 16k intro? ;_; With just under 12K displayable by VIC. =) |
| |
ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1370 |
Aww, can't use BitPickler for this compo after all. (it craps all over 17-33kB of tables while it decrunches)
Quoting TheRykOMG...
I aimed(!) at _less_ rule-whining...
too bad I failed.
X_D
Haha, sorry about that. But seriously, have you met CSDb? :D
Quoting KrillWith just under 12K displayable by VIC. =)
Actually, that is an interesting constraint.. |
| |
TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2053 |
I <3 U 2 guys :) |
| |
chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11100 |
I still wonder whats so hard about providing a file that has to be linked.
Quoting KrillQuoting TheRyk16K is boring :) I concur. That's practically unrestricted. =) |
| |
TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2053 |
new crack-your-grinch-head-category
get this .prg file and link it at $2000 (ranges till $CFFF)
https://csdb.dk/release/download.php?id=278763
e.g. in ACME
*= $2000
!bin "linkthis.prg",,2
$2000-$CFFF must be the same before RUN and after SPACE press.
Otherwise do watcha-watcha-watcha want. |
| |
chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11100 |
Quoting KrillQuoting TheRyk16K is boring :) I concur. That's practically unrestricted. =) |
| |
Seven
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 201 |
Shame... neither fish nor fowl. Maybe next year then. |
| |
DeMOSic
Registered: Aug 2021
Posts: 126 |
Chance to learn some intro coding! Dont expect anything amazing though… |
| |
TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2053 |
I do see the point of rule discussion and hence tagged it
"Demos that look like Intros 1k/2k/8k Compo + 8K Crack Intro"
The last one refers to the crack-your-grinch-head-category.
I briefly considered doing the latter also as 2k and 1k (of course with bigger LINKTHIS.prg file), but even more sub categories don't seem to make sense. So if you got a 2K or 1K _runtime_ release, you might want to save it for another ICC with harder restrictions.
Anyway, 1st entry is there, so the time of complaining is over and the time of competing has begun. |
| |
chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11100 |
Quote:8K Crack Intro
That's not what your rules say though :) |
| |
ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1370 |
Oh wait, so the grinch think is a fourth category? Thanks for clarification, I’d been erroneously assuming that it was a new rule attached to each of the first three categories (40k payload combined with 1/2/8 k loading size).
So is the bank 0 rule dropped altogether now, or?
(Thanks for taking all this on, btw) |
| |
Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 549 |
Sweet!
Re: using whole memory (which I gather isn’t allowed now), I don’t see why this stops something being an intro… it’s common to link small games (eg. 1k games) with small intros - and since the game is small, it makes sense that there’s going to be a shit-ton of unused memory available for the intro to stomp on.
Craptastic Compo has a small game limit I believe? 4K or something?
But anyway… the grinches stole 48k of potential mem from us so meh :p |
| |
chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11100 |
If 16k is not enough for your intro, you are doing it wrong :) |
| |
Richard
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 619 |
I won't be entering the ICC 2022 this time - I currently have a too busy schedule on the games development side, due to another two competitions already in place. Sorry. Maybe next year!!! |
| |
TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2053 |
CJ the no violation of other banks than %11 (i.e. RAM higher than $3FFF) is a global rule.
The Grinch category also makes use of $2000-$3FFF a little complicated, I won't tell more ;) |
| |
chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11100 |
lol |
| |
ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1370 |
Quoting TheRykCJ the no violation of other banks than %11 (i.e. RAM higher than $3FFF) is a global rule.
Thanks!
hilarious choice of linkthis.prg btw.
Just checking my reading of these two:
Using other VIC-Banks than %11 is forbidden, so don't use RAM higher than $3FFF (IO and Vectors in page $FF are ok).
and
$2000-$CFFF must be the same before RUN and after SPACE press
So, for grinch entries, that sounds like we are not allowed to write to RAM from $4000 to $fffb at any time, but we are allowed to write to 2000-3fff while the entry is running, as long as we restore the contents afterwards. Is that correct? |
| |
TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2053 |
<Post edited by TheRyk on 13/12-2022 11:42>
yes, absolutely, apart from vectors in page $FF. Just copying $2000-$3FFF somewhere in high RAM would be too easy to allow for hardcore grinches.
Coming back to lowermost bank, as the example with ghostbyte shows totally forbidding writes higher that $2000 would be out of question. |
| |
Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 549 |
Quote: If 16k is not enough for your intro, you are doing it wrong :)
Disagreed ;-) … 100% I agree that -most- intros should be small and use little memory.. but the oldschool intros could technically use whatever the heck memory they please - so long as the game they’re linked to works. And preferably so that disk blocks aren’t wasted, particularly for small games.
A 1k game, though.. if the intro is 512bytes but uses 64k while running, isn’t that better than a 1k intro?
Both would still be intros. Memory footprint has zero relevance in that instance. |
| |
chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11100 |
If you are linking an intro to an 1k game... oh well o_O |
| |
TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2053 |
*bump*
compo's running 11 more days, no deadline extension to be expected, sorry!
so get your stuff done or start coding soonish :)
Cheers
Ryk
PS: Especially the Crack-your-Grinch-Head category needs some fodder :D |
| |
ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1370 |
Embarrassingly, my first ever COVID infection ate my brain quite badly for the past six weeks, so I've not managed to get my Crack-your-Grinch-Head entry anywhere near ready.
I'm quite disappointed by that too, to be honest.
Thanks for running this and listening to all of us grumpy farts, and I'm looking forward to viewing and voting on all the entries. |
| |
TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2053 |
That's bad, CJ, I was really counting on you with the Grinch cat :) Anyway, get well soon!
Final questins:
- the limit "Maximum 2 entries per participant and category" was meant per _CODER_ not per group
- the "is linked to this competition as "C64 2K Game" entry (lacking a more fitting category)" seemed to have irritated some souls, actually putting it in that _COMPO_ would have been enough, what you fill in _release_type_ doesn't matter a lot to me, please do not complain in forums, make a demo about it... ;)
Many great entries so far!
Some 4-5 hours left, let's see! |
| |
Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 478 |
Quote:2K
- crunched range is $0801 till maximum $0fff
So loading from $0801 to $1000 from disk image should be valid because location bytes in PRG should not count. Correct? |
| |
TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2053 |
correct, mere range in RAM, size on disk/blocks don't matter |
| |
TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2053 |
Voting: Please give me a few days till I come up with some voting solution, CSDb votes will NOT decide, read rules!
Quote:
CSDb votes will NOT decide the result, there will be some half-smart alternative external solution,
anyone with a CSDb account will be granted access to voting, self-votes will be eliminated.
Depending on when I got that done, voting will run for 14 days after it's launched. |
| |
Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 549 |
Great compo! Good luck, everyone! |
| |
Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: |
Hoping the solution will be physical voting disks. |
| |
Freeze
Registered: Feb 2005
Posts: 4 |
Quote: Hoping the solution will be physical voting disks.
OMG - only one last functional disk left here at my side at the moment - but it would be worth for this nice compo!
Looking forward for the voting and even more for the final results.. |
| |
TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2053 |
<Post edited by TheRyk on 15/2-2023 11:00>
It's on!
Grab it while it's hot!
https://csdb.dk/release/?id=229488
Voting's open till end of Feb
Dudes like Cruzer and Freeze might wanna hurry, though :)
One more thing: Self-votes will be simply eliminated in the calculation, so if you coded the entry in question, just vote whatever you like, it doesn't matter. Votes for groupmates' stuff are gonna count, however. |
| |
Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5017 |
is it just me not seeing where to vote outside csdb ? |
| |
El Jefe
Registered: Jul 2005
Posts: 68 |
Wrong link, the right one is here:
ICC 2022 Voting
And its quite fun, make sure to check!
Shocker/Onslaught |
| |
TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2053 |
sorry, it was late :) |
| |
Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5017 |
thanks :) |
| |
Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: |
Quoting TheRykDudes like Cruzer and Freeze might wanna hurry, though :) Unfortunately hurrying isn't my forte, but I'll try to get to it eventually. <old guy with cane emoji> |
| |
TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2053 |
*bump*
Some 6 days left to vote! (28th of Feb)
Though some more than 5 people have voted already, not all of the snailmail disks have been claimed yet, i.e. some voters ticked "[X] I don't want any disk snailmail."
or just didn't send the .TXT |
| |
ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1370 |
voting voting voting... |
| |
TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2053 |
Voting has closed last night.
Thanks for all the votes, also the last minute ones
Results are about to be published shortly, matter of days probably. |
| |
Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1031 |
stop the count! |
| |
Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: |
Any second now. |
| |
Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 933 |
Promises Promises |
| |
Shine
Registered: Jul 2012
Posts: 327 |
Ryker is still rollin' the dice! :P |
| |
TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2053 |
Quoting TheRyk... matter of days probably.
Shouldn't have said that in the first place,
then along came some BCC#17 orga stuff and Covid (again)
Quoting HeinPromises Promises
I'm better now, so as announced in the voting tool
Quote:in March
even THIS March is still realistic, as March still ain't over |
| |
Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 933 |
Don't get me wrong, it's just the peer pressure on CSDb. :P |
| |
Conrad
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 833 |
No worries Ryk, this event still leads #1 in most delayed results: Facebook Oldskool Cracktro Compo |
| |
TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2053 |
Hein: No worries, I'm not sulky, I appreciate all your wake-up calls and I almost always deserve some friendly bashing and can take it :)
And Conrad is right, there are various competitions with results calculating being stuck for years, not gonna happen here.
Off computing... |
| |
TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2053 |
The waiting is the hardest time...
But on 41st of March aka 10th of April the results are on
ICC 2022 Results Disk
Snailmails (each with an individual easteregg) are gonna take some time :)
Thanks to all competitors & voters & of course congratulations to everyone who made it into top 3!
Looking 4wd to the next edition of ICC - probably hosted by someone completely different.
Cheers,
TheRyk |
| |
Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 933 |
Thanks for organizing this ICC episode, Ryk. |
| |
papapower
Registered: Aug 2021
Posts: 4 |
Thanks TheRyk for this event, the voting system and the final release with the results are pretty cool, happy to have taken part to this one (thanks again Shine for convincing me) |
| |
Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1031 |
nice! great to see the results published of this traditional compo, thanks for picking it up TheRyk! |
| |
trident
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 74 |
great compo, lots of exciting entries, thanks for organizing it theryk! |
| |
Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2825 |
Wonder if there'll ever be an ICC 2020 intropack... =) |
| |
Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5017 |
so what is the ranking? who won ? |
| |
Freeze
Registered: Feb 2005
Posts: 4 |
Quote: so what is the ranking? who won ?
Everyone, who attended, is a winner in my eyes!
The ranking of winners can be found here:
Intro Creation Competition 2022 |
| |
TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2053 |
Snailmail disks (new old stock, freshly formatted and Zoom-Floppy-written, as close 2 brandnew as you can get nowadays) went to the letterbox in Holstein yesterday high noon
(sorry 4 all the delay)
and the first one arrived in Frankfurt this morning \o/ <- so much for snailmail, fankly, I can't blame the postmen, only my personal real life, work sux, family and slacker issues like procrastinating BCC#17 orga -hehe- kept me from being some 6 weeks faster
Originally, I said the fastest 5 voters, but as only 7 altogether claimed a disk,
I sent one to each of these 7 - each with an individual Easter egg.
Non-Germans, be aware, I maybe broke international law (again, what else could you expect from an evil pirate)...
"Deutsche Post" Homepage told me on their stamps shop homepage:
shipping other items than "documents" as "international letter" was forbidden.
The right way to do it was as parcel (probably including customs declaration and whatnot)
- which would have been around 60 € to Australia... <- which I found slightly over the top compared to 3,70 € for intl letter.
So I just decided a 5,25" disk _IS_ a document. :D
Why do I tell you this?
Well, Australian customs offices are so notorious that TV docu-soaps are broadcast in Europe about them x-raying and flame-thrower-destroying stuff that's not according to whatever rules...
So my sending disks as letter might result in guys in Austria, Australia and Denmark not getting their sending or being told to pick it up at some customs office
<- In that case, don't do that, let the customs officers have some fun with it, just contact me, I'll find another solution, either I email you the images or I pass new envelopes to the next Australian, Austrian or Dane I meet at the X Party.
Cheers
TheRyk |
| |
El Jefe
Registered: Jul 2005
Posts: 68 |
@TheRyk:
Thank you for all the effort you put into organizing this compo. Perfectly organized from the beginning to the end!
Voting was so much fun and the same goes for the presentation of the compo results. Absolutely awesome!
Also, receiving a disk via snail mail nowadays feels absolutely thrilling! Thank you! But "Next time" please use cardboards on both sides of the disk like an old-school swapper! ;-) Disk arrived in perfect state, though!
Thanks!
Shocker/Onslaught |
| |
TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2053 |
@shocker: Great it arrived safe and sound. For the international sendings, esp the one to Australia, I used cardboard envelopes, for German sendings I just crossed my fingers the paper might survive, but you definetely got a point there :) |
| |
Holy Moses
Registered: Feb 2013
Posts: 24 |
Don't forget: Stamps back! ;-) |
| |
TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2053 |
Quoting Holy MosesDon't forget: Stamps back! ;-)
Normally: YES
BRAVE NEW WORLD: These so-called "stamps" you can buy online and print... /o\ what you get is some tiny QR-Code, you can add a piccie but only if you don't add the address /o\ then I went for no piccie but yes address and the PDF got all special chars wrong... I could understand (not excuse) if for some reason my .TXT editor-typed addresses might have not fit into some lame German Post not-really-unicode... BUT I got really disappointed when stuff like "ÖSTERREICH" which I did not type but select via "select country" drop-down ON THE POST HOMEPAGE resulted in "?STERREICH"...
Bottom line: No stamps back this time, these so-called "stamps" (even if the QR-Code would allow using them twice) deserve nothing else after sending arrived than being burnt with hellfire :) |
| |
Freeze
Registered: Feb 2005
Posts: 4 |
Hi @The Ryk!
My disk arrived today with many "?" marks on the stamp sticker :-). Seems the German Post is not quite aware about the German specific characters like "ö,ä,ü" and "ß" which are in my name and also in many, many other names…. :-D
BTW: Ryk you made a quite interesting envelope which worked good enough for sending it to a neighbour country… (The Prime Logo smile on the front also put a smile on my face…)
So a big thank you for everything – now I own two real disks… wohooo!!! |
| |
ws
Registered: Apr 2012
Posts: 228 |
Hejhej! Got my disk in the mail today. Packaging: Man, you really still have faith in the Deutsche Post :-D
But: it was completely unbent and read 100% 00,00,OK,00 -- Thanks!!
A word on the feeling of getting floppy disks via snail mail: such an intense flashback of memories. Awesome.
The whackest disk i got was (as a test) a 3,25" Amiga floppy only with the metal slider locked by a strip of tape, the address on the sticker and a stamp on it - no envelope. And it still worked. That one (and the C64 floppies i own) i'll keep until i'm gone. |
| |
TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2053 |
Thanks for reporting arrival!
Hope you also searched for your personal eastereggs :)
Hint #1: Side A |
| |
Higgie
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 113 |
I just got my disk from the neighbor who had taken it for me from the postman.
Thanks for giving me that snail mail feeling! :) |
| |
TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2053 |
wonderful!
so 4=all national
and 1 of 3 international
sendings arrived \o/
new tip #2 for Easter Egg:
No diskmon or BAM-peeking required,
Watch the results from disk and be an ornithologist!
PS as this didn't help, tip #3:
It don't matter if you're black or white but it matters to know left from right... and don't close your ears while reading |
| |
ws
Registered: Apr 2012
Posts: 228 |
Ooooh. Very well hidden. Very subtle. <3 <3 <3
So glad i poked ;-)
ps.: actually one of my secret favourites! |
| |
Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: |
Disk arrived in Denmark, "only" 11 days later. \o/ Thanks, Ryk! You shouldn't have!
Haven't checked the content yet, but I assume it's from you since it's ~20 years since last time I got a snailmail disk.
Looking forward to trying to solve the riddle, although I'll probably fail. |
| |
TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2053 |
11 days from Holstein (apart from Schleswig the northernmost part of Germany) to Denmark...
Not very impressive even if it was delivered by a horseman X_D |
| |
ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1370 |
Disk arrived in Australia \o/
Possibly a few days ago, I'm a bit patchy checking the letter box.
Thanks, Ryk, and thanks so much for organising the competition!
First time I've received a floppy in the mail from Europe since the early 90s I think - so nice to experience that again :) |
| |
TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2053 |
Wowzers!
Would have bet someone in charge would lose it/send it back/demand extra charge or the disk would cause trouble at the customs office, great that it worked out, thx 4 reporting!
Cheers
Ryk |
