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2023-03-12 01:19
hedning

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Release id #230315 : Zelya - Slava Ukraini +4H

Submitted by Raistlin [PM] on 12 March 2023
I’m sure this thread will be moved to discussion soon, and locked…

On the release: while I 100% support Ukraine (Fuck Putin), this release makes no sense as-is… any Western or Ukrainian action to kill Putin will escalate matters, it’ll further the commentary that this is somehow “The West” against Russia.. the best way that this can end is if Putin is killed or removed by his own people.

Plus, it’s kinda lame reskinning old games - not that much work was put in on that of course. It was lame for sceners to do that in the 80s so, now, it’s surely even worse…

On those sympathising with Russia.. honestly, stop. If we consider what happened nearly 100 years ago as justification, how do you feel about Germany, Austria..? And, hell, what about the attrocities brought about by the English, the French, the Spanish..? The annexations in Ukraine were illegal. They displaced citizens, brought in Russian citizens and had a vote. How about if I bring a group of 10 of my mates to your house, we lock you outside and then have a vote about who owns your house??

To the forums with this thread :-) (better yet, lock it down completely before someone puts a foot in it).

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Submitted by Mermaid [PM] on 12 March 2023
Bacchus: Maybe I misread Lynx but I interpreted his comment differently: When Russia signed that act, they pledged not to threaten or use force against Nato allies and any other state. A pledge they broke when they illegally annexed Crimea, etc.

It is possible to be in favour of helping Ukraine to defend themselves and still think that releasing a C64 shoot'em up about an ongoing war is somewhat reductive and in poor taste.

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Submitted by Bacchus [PM] on 11 March 2023
We did expect a few comments from people fed the Russian troll cool aid, and we were right. Any argument that slags mainstream media as part of the argument is rather lame in my eyes. Proves the point of being blinded by the trolls.

Donbas was a region inside Ukraine. Period.

NATO Russia act? Do link to that. Sounds like a big laugh. Ukraine is a sovereign country. It's can chose to orient itself towards the west. But Russia is afraid of loosing control over their once puppets.

Vanja - well one can debate if a war game is the right thing, but there is a war and I see only three outcomes: 1) Ukraine falling after Russian bombed it to ashes and there is noone left to defend it, 2) Russia leaving after Putin having no options or 3) Putin being removed from office. The latter tends to happen through windows from great heighs.

I am a peace loving person, but I also think that power hungry dictators sometimes need to be stopped using power on the battle field. Like was done in the 40s.

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Submitted by Mermaid [PM] on 11 March 2023
Fuck Putin and his cronies with a rusty pitchfork, and Слава Україні, absolutely.

A war game though, really? Seems a tad inappropriate, somehow.

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Submitted by Lynx [PM] on 11 March 2023
Please read the NATO Russia founding act, and judge again

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Submitted by .jetan/ Samar [PM] on 11 March 2023
I am an enemy of mixing the scene with politics. It comes out rather average - just as this production is average. Let us remember, however, that in 2014, after Maidan, Ukraine was the first to attack free republics such as Donbas. NATO has expanded in violation of all pacts. I'm not rooting for either side - I'm looking at the facts and the mainstream media. And cheering for the Ukrainians is an insult to their slaughter of defenseless Poles ~200,000 victims in the years '43-'45! Disgrace! In the evening, Ukrainians and Poles drank vodka, ate dinner, hugged each other. In the morning the Poles were already dead... You do not know this in the West, because nobody has written about it and will not tell you it. So, Slava somebody... Slava ...

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Submitted by Bacchus [PM] on 11 March 2023
It's surely not a satire project. It's the message first, the narrative in the docs secondly and the game third.

And I tend to vote ten on our own release to counterbalance the haters who downvote anything we do to ensure our average don't surpass theirs.

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Submitted by Paul Bearer [PM] on 11 March 2023
I really don't know. Support Ukraine? I'm all for it. But slapping a new title and a few intro pics on an old crap game? And then voting 10 for your own release? Is this some satire project?

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Submitted by 4gentE [PM] on 11 March 2023
MAJOR CRINGE ALERT!

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Submitted by Neo-Rio [PM] on 10 March 2023
Based on "Arnie"? It IS Arnie!
Not even a redesigned new map to play on....
 
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2023-03-13 10:46
Lynx

Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 12
Quoting .jetan/ Samar
This discussion and this production should never take place in this forum.



Agreed....deleted pretty much russian propaganda
2023-03-13 12:47
Peacemaker

Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 210
"Free republic such as Donbass..."

lol. what the fuck did you drink or even take? haha

" the US offered Russia a peace deal in exchange for 20% of Ukraine's territory."

hahaha.. you cant be serious.
2023-03-13 13:20
F7sus4

Registered: Apr 2013
Posts: 87
Quote:
US offered Russia a peace deal in exchange for 20% of Ukraine's territory.


You don't get to offer other sovereign countries' land in exchange for peace. This is the "give me 5 Euro or I'll beat you up" logic, and indeed Kremlin logic. I'm not surprised about individuals reproducing it to be called Russian bots in a response. Rightfully so.

And so is the whataboutism about using other conflicts as a justification for another one. Again, because your neighbor have stolen a bike, it doesn't mean you're allowed or excused from doing the very same thing.

Quote:
NATO expansion

As above. You don't get to decide how other countries defend their territory. But if you're the aggressor, you'll probably be against your victim joining a defensive alliance.

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The ones siding with the aggressor in this conflict for sure has a demented moral compass.


This!
2023-03-13 13:50
Giulio/Wolf

Registered: Apr 2016
Posts: 15
Putin is the aggressor, he started a war and there are no justifications for this fact, even if it were NATO's fault with his provocations. Killing innocent people is not the solution, never.

Though, my two cents on this release and Ukraine:
1) FAIRLIGHT group is nazi-oriented since 1988 ("The choice of the anti-communist generation!" was written in their Legendary Intro)
2) Zelensky is nazi-oriented too and surely it is his army. Internet is full of photos of his soldiers with Nazi symbols tatoos like swastikas and so on.

Think about it.
2023-03-13 14:11
F7sus4

Registered: Apr 2013
Posts: 87
Yeah, label any country that defends itself against military invasion as "nazi" in order to get fresh privilege card to "denazify" it via special military operation, well done.
2023-03-13 14:13
Shine

Registered: Jul 2012
Posts: 306
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-communism ...
2023-03-13 14:23
Mermaid

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 334
Quote: Putin is the aggressor, he started a war and there are no justifications for this fact, even if it were NATO's fault with his provocations. Killing innocent people is not the solution, never.

Though, my two cents on this release and Ukraine:
1) FAIRLIGHT group is nazi-oriented since 1988 ("The choice of the anti-communist generation!" was written in their Legendary Intro)
2) Zelensky is nazi-oriented too and surely it is his army. Internet is full of photos of his soldiers with Nazi symbols tatoos like swastikas and so on.

Think about it.


Zelenski is jewish, ffs. Two cents? Sounds more like two rubles.

Oh, and obviously FLT are not nazis. Not a sentence I thought I'd ever have to write, but here we are.
2023-03-13 14:30
Giulio/Wolf

Registered: Apr 2016
Posts: 15
I am not a communist. I never have been and never will be. But that Zelensky and his army is Nazi-oriented is a fact. Like it or not it is.

Two rubles? LOL.

I think I can stop here. Misinformation is also present here as far as I can see.

Peace.
2023-03-13 14:39
Mermaid

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 334
Quote: I am not a communist. I never have been and never will be. But that Zelensky and his army is Nazi-oriented is a fact. Like it or not it is.

Two rubles? LOL.

I think I can stop here. Misinformation is also present here as far as I can see.

Peace.


Claiming the only jewish head of state outside of Israel is "nazi-oriented" is misinformation and regurgitated Kremlin propaganda.
2023-03-13 14:52
hedning

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4151
OK. This thread is now officially way off topic. Closing in 3, 2, ...
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