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A3
Registered: Dec 2005
Posts: 362 |
Group id #306 : The Force
I was wondering something about this group. Why is there seperate entries for all the force groups, The Force, The Force, The Force when in reality it's one group? Atleast according to Danny where he in a swap-note on a the force spread disk is talking about their new members in hungary Captain TAS and Freeze and some more new members in australia. And he is also refering to some of the italian members Zagor and Zoris in the note. True one can often read statements like the force italy or the force israel in various productions but I still say it's the same group. |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
It seems a bit messy. F.ex. the Hungarian TF has 1991 as founding year while the Austrialian one has cracks from 1988/89 listed. It will take some serious investigating to correct all of this. |
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A3
Registered: Dec 2005
Posts: 362 |
Quote: It seems a bit messy. F.ex. the Hungarian TF has 1991 as founding year while the Austrialian one has cracks from 1988/89 listed. It will take some serious investigating to correct all of this.
Yes it's a big mess, perhaps one should see it that the hungary section joined in 1991, while the australian section joined in 88? |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
I seem to remember that it was in fact several different groups with the same name that merged into one over the years. |
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Conrad
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 833 |
The oldest Force group is the Israeli group, formed by Daniel in 1985. The story could of been that for being that group being quite small and that it was originated in Israel, they were requiring new members. But due to the life threatening Israeli society (religion) and that there were not many Israeli groups in the scene, other sceners would of formed their section of that group, such as the Australian Force, and then later the Hungarian and Italian section.
Don't forget that Israel itself is a dangerous country to live in, (and always has been) so not many members would of joined in that particular country due to life threatening issues.
This is my opinion on the groups, so correct me if I am wrong. |
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Conrad
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 833 |
I just had a look at their old website http://tforce.cjb.net/
Looking at the c64 members section, it views all members from the Israeli, Australian and Italian groups. The Hungarian members however are not displayed.
This could mean that the Israeli, Australian and Italian Force were together in one co-operative group, where the Hungarian Force was a separate group. Would this help the confusion a bit? |
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A3
Registered: Dec 2005
Posts: 362 |
Quote: I just had a look at their old website http://tforce.cjb.net/
Looking at the c64 members section, it views all members from the Israeli, Australian and Italian groups. The Hungarian members however are not displayed.
This could mean that the Israeli, Australian and Italian Force were together in one co-operative group, where the Hungarian Force was a separate group. Would this help the confusion a bit?
To some point but as I said the israel section stated the hungarians as new members in a disk note from 91. And that page isn't that update anymore.
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Rough
Account closed
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
The Hungarians were definately part of the real The Force, the makers of the homepage probably forgot about them.
@CRD: Fully agreement to your statement about living in Israel is dangerous, but could you explain the conclusion why only few members from there would join a C64 group for that reason? I dont understand your logic. |
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Matt
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 589 |
so case solved then?
the force is only one group?
thanks for bringing this to the attention violator, I've been wondering the same for years now. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: so case solved then?
the force is only one group?
thanks for bringing this to the attention violator, I've been wondering the same for years now.
Matt, now you can finally sleep again ;) |
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Conrad
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 833 |
Quote: The Hungarians were definately part of the real The Force, the makers of the homepage probably forgot about them.
@CRD: Fully agreement to your statement about living in Israel is dangerous, but could you explain the conclusion why only few members from there would join a C64 group for that reason? I dont understand your logic.
My bad phrasing has kicked in again :-P
I should of said: "Members WOULDN'T of joined a c64 in Israel BECAUSE of life threatening issues in Israel, i.e. bombs."
This may or may not been the case though as most of that particular danger only happens in the capital of Israel, where Daniel and the rest would of lived outside the capital (although their addresses are unknown.) hence concentrating on better things to do, such as import/crack games and make demos for the c64. Israel is quite a complicated country unfortunately. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
One more thing: I still think that all these 'the Forces' are different groups, with members of one version ultimately joining another version. So I wouldn't delete the entries. |
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Rough
Account closed
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
they arent different groups. The Australian, the Italian and the Hungarian sections joined one by one. I'm not 100% sure about the Aussies, but the other two surely.
@CRD: Okay, I see. But that's surely no reason, cos Israel inhabitants have more or less get used to everyday threats of Islamic suicide bombers. Of course there's influence on people's lives but that doesnt mean people dont enjoy them. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
I am at least 100% sure that the Australian group was a seperate entity, and that they and the Israelis merged into one group. I am reasonably sure the same goes for the Italians. So yes, they may have joined one by one, but they already existed as The Force before they did. That's what makes this so complicated ;) |
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Rough
Account closed
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
Hm, you could be right about the Aussie, but the Italians surely joined The Force and didnt have an own group, I knew Gabriel and Zagor/Zoris, I think they were in Gax 777 before joining TF: |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Yes, but what you don't realize is that 'Gax' is the Italian word for 'Force' ;) |
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Matt
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 589 |
now there goes my sleep again... |
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Rough
Account closed
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
Quote: Yes, but what you don't realize is that 'Gax' is the Italian word for 'Force' ;)
didnt know that, google'd a bit seems to be an expression for technical force measurements.
I was always wondering what kind of stupid group name that is. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: didnt know that, google'd a bit seems to be an expression for technical force measurements.
I was always wondering what kind of stupid group name that is.
Please don't take my previous statement serious :) |
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A3
Registered: Dec 2005
Posts: 362 |
Quote: I am at least 100% sure that the Australian group was a seperate entity, and that they and the Israelis merged into one group. I am reasonably sure the same goes for the Italians. So yes, they may have joined one by one, but they already existed as The Force before they did. That's what makes this so complicated ;)
Some information I have recived today says that the force australia was not an seperate entity at all. Some more emails have been sent with the help of jazzcat to former the force members in australia. |
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Dr.Strange
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 100 |
I'm sure that gax its the aka of Gabriel and Ximox, they left Gax777 for join all The Force. I joined Gax777 when they left the group.
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Morpheus
Registered: Feb 2004
Posts: 152 |
I can confirm that The Force Israel, Italy, and Australia is the same group. Dunno about the Hungarians. |
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Dr.Strange
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 100 |
Quote: I can confirm that The Force Israel, Italy, and Australia is the same group. Dunno about the Hungarians.
Yes it's right, The Force its only one group.
There are only different sections. |
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Morpheus
Registered: Feb 2004
Posts: 152 |
I must also add that the Italians were the coolest guys to hang with. A lot of humour, and good friends. |
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The Overkiller
Account closed
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 342 |
Quote: Hm, you could be right about the Aussie, but the Italians surely joined The Force and didnt have an own group, I knew Gabriel and Zagor/Zoris, I think they were in Gax 777 before joining TF:
That's right! |
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Rough
Account closed
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
Quote: I must also add that the Italians were the coolest guys to hang with. A lot of humour, and good friends.
full ack |
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Rough
Account closed
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
anyhow, The Force is still split into four different groups, the staff or someone with a lot of pleasure for it should merge them!!! |
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Colwyn
Account closed
Registered: Jan 2008
Posts: 12 |
Hi its Colwyn/The Force
There are 4 entires as The Force was a name 4 groups used at one time.
I started The Force in 82 and we were very strong up until 88 when australia ceased releasing ozy made games via melbourne house, SSG or SSI
One day in around 88 Danny/TF from Israel contacted me and suggested we merge as we shared the same name and later he signed up some othere in hungray etc i didn't really have anything to do with that.
Any questions ask me i was on the 64 for 15 years |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2062 |
still wonder why Force/Italy and Force/Israel are kept as two separate group entries, leading to confusing scener info like Zagor (member of The Force and member of The Force) That's totally whacko if those were only sections of the same group
besides, I guess both can be considered dissolved as they only consists of ex-members, no? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11108 |
if in doubt, you can always switch some members to active, even if they didnt do anything for a decade or two :) |
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Dr.j
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 276 |
About the force: after a long research, the force italy and the force israel were the same group "the force" !
Zoris and Zagor were of course a part of this group and a lot of the "Israeli" demos/intros consist Zagor And Zoris gfx. also the Italian cracktros were using Nir p. and Guy Shavit music . its the same group and its about time to join them |
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Conjuror
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 168 |
Too much awesome in one group it had to be spread across 4 countries :D |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 512 |
I didn't know Dr.J had a clone in .au! :) Cool Swaptime |
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Conjuror
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 168 |
Weird, as there is no Dr.J as a member in Australia.
Funny to see stuff I coded (2nd part), re-purposed for other releases I had no idea about. |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 512 |
indeed: no "doctor J" here on CSDb, I think the member should be created/added. but I remember I was swapping with Aardvark. do you know if the guy is still around? |
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Dr.j
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 276 |
my heart is split to Australia , Italy and Israel. wow...thats a nice mix blend..coffee? anyone?
Conjuror: return to your base immediately , The Force are calling :)) |
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Conjuror
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 168 |
Drj, it would be nice but I think we've both moved and my home will soon be in Norway with my Offence friends. |
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bugjam
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 2476 |
Quoting ZeSmasherindeed: no "doctor J" here on CSDb, I think the member should be created/added.
Done: Doctor J |
