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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
a plea from an old schooler
please dont use modified PAL emulating screenshots for pictures on this site.
people may want to use this site to download unmodified c64 art in gif or png format with pure pixel definition.
if they want to see the stuff in highly debatable pal emulation mode people can download the PRG files and view them in that mode on an emulator.
Thanks
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
lol yes i remember all that well, in the days before decently priced phillips monitors :)
thats why most of us used to avoid the use of white on our greyscale stuff.
one small area of white and all the greys would visibly drop back in brightness by about 50%, and the white would leap out.
we used to call it "blowing the screen"
and i remember tvs that used to buzz like an angry bee if u flood filled white on a black background :)
ah the good old days :)
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11100 |
Quote:Meh. Since there is no color without luma (just black) i strongly object to this definition! 8)
doh. ofcourse. now we are at the point where terms used by "normal people" and "technical people" clash - and which is one of the primary reasons for this type of discussion often going in circles =)
i am, when speaking about analog video, using the technical terms that apply to just that. and in analog video - by definition - the terms refer to what i said.
the actual *percieved* color ofcourse consists of both. and at the same time "red" and "light red" are - in terms of analog video - the same color, with different luma :)
Quote:Oddly enough this was never reproducible on the PC. One reason perhaps was that the higher bits required for generating the graphics but there are probably other reasons concerned with hardware, etc. We never figured it out, and then all of a sudden there was Pepto.
one important aspect that is often forgotten is also, that PAL and VGA (or better: YUV and RGB) work in very different color spaces, and because of that it isnt even possible to convert every color properly from one to the other. like the much higher white level in PAL cant be reproduced by VGA at all (and on the other hand, PAL can not produce true 0;0;0 black). thats another reason why to some peptos example palette looks a bit "dull".
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JCB
Account closed
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 241 |
@Ed, you've watched too much Blade Runner ;)
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11100 |
Quote:and i remember tvs that used to buzz like an angry bee if u flood filled white on a black background :)
thats one of the things at the top of my "to be emulated" list infact :) |
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Registered: Jun 2006
Posts: 645 |
Quote: Quote:and i remember tvs that used to buzz like an angry bee if u flood filled white on a black background :)
thats one of the things at the top of my "to be emulated" list infact :)
That would rule so much. Along with diskdrive sound emulation and beamer emulation ;_)
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Ed
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 173 |
Quote: Quote:Meh. Since there is no color without luma (just black) i strongly object to this definition! 8)
doh. ofcourse. now we are at the point where terms used by "normal people" and "technical people" clash - and which is one of the primary reasons for this type of discussion often going in circles =)
i am, when speaking about analog video, using the technical terms that apply to just that. and in analog video - by definition - the terms refer to what i said.
the actual *percieved* color ofcourse consists of both. and at the same time "red" and "light red" are - in terms of analog video - the same color, with different luma :)
Quote:Oddly enough this was never reproducible on the PC. One reason perhaps was that the higher bits required for generating the graphics but there are probably other reasons concerned with hardware, etc. We never figured it out, and then all of a sudden there was Pepto.
one important aspect that is often forgotten is also, that PAL and VGA (or better: YUV and RGB) work in very different color spaces, and because of that it isnt even possible to convert every color properly from one to the other. like the much higher white level in PAL cant be reproduced by VGA at all (and on the other hand, PAL can not produce true 0;0;0 black). thats another reason why to some peptos example palette looks a bit "dull".
I remember the bug and kind of miss it in emulator land.
Some images have been drawn, just like you say, with that specific bug in mind.
Never really got to understand how Dragon could draw his women using orange with a clear white background
when it would look like nothing more but a black figure on the big screen.
Nothing wrong about Orange figures though. Seen them plenty before and some after. |
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PAL
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 269 |
I think Dragon did that because he had done it so many times before, and it worked... I must say that when his images were shown at parties and so on back in the days I never saw it as black... they where like they are in here... |
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Ed
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 173 |
Yeah, you are prolly right. They looked all right on most equipment. On old tellys etc, it looked like crap of course. Just like some screendumps do around here....
By the way. Did people ever follow the ancient CBM advice on colors when making art? Sometimes I wonder why some of the older artists worked with simpler schemes of blue/light blue,white or red, light red, white, etc? Whereas something happens in the late 1980s and early 1990s resulting in combinations of 0,9,6,b,2,4,8,c,e,a,5,f,3,7,d,1
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11100 |
simple.... old lumas, new lumas =) |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
old lumas players to new lumas fools
csdb keep it jumpin like kangaroos
but skew it on the bar-b we aint tryin to lose
say i'll be god damnit they done changed the rules |
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