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v3to
Registered: Feb 2005
Posts: 150 |
Double Screen Compo Voting
Okay - all entries are in and it is time for voting.
Take your time and check the pictures properly. If you like to check it on a C64, I'd recommend to turn off the volume, because music tends to alter atmosphere. Now here come the rules:
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CHOOSE 3 FAVORITES - NO MORE - NO LESS
SEND YOUR CHOICE VIA PM TO ENTHUSI OR ME
OR BY MAIL TO << COMPO[AT SPAMSUCKS]C64PIXELS[DOT]COM >>
PLEASE DO NOT FORGET YOUR HANDLE/GROUP OR NAME
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Deadline for voting is June 7th 2011 (know it is a long term but c64pixels-visitors are watching random)
Good luck to all contestants !
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Looking Outward by Celtic, code by Zielok
Additional content according compo rules: Music
Format: MultiColor
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Monroe 6569 by Diggr
Format: Charmode
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Asteroidmine by Grass, code by Cruzer
Format: MultiColor
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The Raven by Dane
Additional content according compo rules: Dark red and dark grey are laced
Format: MultiColor
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CARGO by Twoflower, code by Cruzer
Additional content according compo rules: Music
Picture format: MultiColor, 4-colors, Colorscheme is matching Charmode
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A Kind of Magic by Yazoo, code by Axis
Additional content according compo rules: Music, scrolltext (can be disabled by pressing spacebar)
Picture format: MultiColor
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Radiant
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 639 |
I don't have any problems with people copying other people's art, I have a problem with people being dishonest. It's fine if you're not good enough to draw your own motifs, but then you should make it clear the work isn't yours originally. I'd be pissed off if I found out someone had copied something I did and didn't give me credit for the work behind it. |
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
yes i'm afraid you do, because while i can understand the machine converted/scan exception cannot see WHY you have a problem with hand drawn 1:1 copies being entered as long as its tagged as such or is with sources.
personally as i have said before, i can see no real difference between this and rotoscoping.
basically give the voter the information and let them decide.
Steve |
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Mermaid
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 335 |
Because if you want to show off your über copying skills then there ought to be a separate competition for that, just like there have been separate music competitions over at c64.sk for cover tunes.
The motif is a pretty damn major part in what makes a picture, and when that motif is someone else's work, I don't find it right to enter it in a regular graphics competition, regardless if it is wired, traced, overpainted, underpainted, or copied the "hard" way. |
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
but then that just comes down your opinion that you are repeatedly trying to foist on everyone else again doesn't it?
and says more about your insecurities than other folks really.
Steve |
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PAL
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 269 |
Gotta love the scene... LOL |
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Mermaid
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 335 |
STE: Oh really? Are you of the opinion that the motif does not matter at all when judging a picture's qualities then?
And furthermore, If I was insecure about any of this, I strongly suspect I would be staying far away from this discussion. |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
This was a rather modest discussion with lots of content untill some people thought it was wise to come up with all sorts of details, comparisons and personal issues... :-(
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
Not at all, I personally despise wires and "pseudo wires" that you know really are but the artist won't admit it.
and i do SO love to see these "outed"
I do however think that anything thats been done by hand in any method is "fair game" for a competition as long as all is declared and workstages provided if required.
and its not up the competing artists or potential competing artists to decide what is "art"
as i have said, provide all information, let the voters decide what they like...
and ban any lying bugger who is found out later from future events :) along with removing their entry wins from csdb.
Steve |
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Mermaid
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 335 |
Well, I disagree with you there (surprise surprise!), a major part of a picture is the motif and entering a graphics competition (unless it is a competition designed to find out who is the best copyer) with a copy of someone else's motif is lame. That is my opinion, and discussions would be rather boring without opinions, so there.
Also, I'm not sure I've used the word art anywhere earlier in this discussion, except maybe once with a " on each end, if I have that was an oversight. I'm generally reluctant to use that word and consider myself an illustrator, not an artist. Put it down to my insecurities if you will. |
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irwin
Account closed
Registered: Feb 2009
Posts: 6 |
I agree with Mermais in 120%.
Why?
This is a Double Screen Compo thread so let us consider this example. When Veto publish all works after first couple hours votes looks like:
First place Monroe 6569 by Digger 9.3 average votes and two digit "ten vote" - votes
Last place takes Asteroidmine by Grass with avg about 6
After Mermaid and JCB found orginal images and become clear so many pictures from this compo is only a convert or retouch convert votes "magically" turns upside down.
Now Monroe 6569 even after additional votes has only a one digit "ten vote" votes. And only 7.8
Why? - because some sceners cares.
New voters had in mind examples - gif-transitions from Mermaid, those who voted earlier - changes their votes, downvote.
Why? - because they cares. They appreciate the work of man, not computer programs.
As i see sceners are sometimes afraid to judge or highly vote realistic picture because they suspect that it might be a conversion. It hits at those graphicans who can draw.
So my suggestion (such as deviantart) create new category: photomanipluation graphicans for those designers who use the techniques of conversion, coping, retouch or raytracing.
Without this, without Mermaid and JCB work in this compo, results would be different. In that situation for sure Grass would take last place. Now when users know about conversions - Grass move up.Because when we throwing everything (converted, retouch google images, raytraced models) - and normal pixelart work into one is like compete in the marathon, but instead run from the beginning - join up to 2 miles before the finish line. Unfair.
I bet if Grass - instead painting - convert/retouch some google images - and no Mermaid and JCB actions - he takes much higher place.
Is this what we want? Conversions?
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