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2018-03-28 23:07
spider-j

Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 197
GoatTracker 2 Fork - interested?

I fiddled around with the GT2 sources lately - just for my personal interest. It's just visual stuff for "shits and giggles" ...
Currently I'm asking myself (or asking *you* here) if someone else may find this useful.
Checkout http://gt2fork.jansalleine.com/ and tell me what you think about it.
For now I just provided an experimental win32 download, but of course I will share the sources and do some more work on it if anyone bothers ;-)

When I mailed my zeroes to dots idea to Cadaver he said, he liked it, but feels GT development pretty much to be "finished". So I don't know if he'll work on GT anymore.

The current version runs - at least for me - on linux and windows - don't know anything about OSX or whatever this apple system is called yet :-)

Have fun!
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2018-11-30 20:29
4mat

Registered: May 2010
Posts: 51
Could we have a mono speaker mode when using the 2SID version? (stereo is panned hard left/right for each chip) It might already be in there but I never found a way to do it if so.
2018-12-01 11:37
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 856
Quoting 4mat
Could we have a mono speaker mode when using the 2SID version? (stereo is panned hard left/right for each chip) It might already be in there but I never found a way to do it if so.


Raf has already modded GT stereo for mono output but it was 2.70 build :)

Goat Tracker Stereo 2.70 Double Mono [2sid]
2018-12-01 11:39
Linus

Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 614
Quote: On modern machines you probably can quite easily afford to dump the entire song to a data structure for each undo step.

Exactly what I am doing.
2018-12-01 15:52
TDM

Registered: Aug 2006
Posts: 10
Great initiative and I'm very glad to see this thread. I use Goat tracker daily since it has shown to be versatile and raster economic. I've tried a couple of other editors but for some reason I always get back to GT.

One thing struck me in most editors is that there are very coarse jumps between tempos, so even in Goat Tracker. A higher tempo granularity would open up a lot more possibilities. I have no idea if this is even doable within reasonable effort, but it would change the preconditions for creating music monumentally.

To give an example of what I mean: Today $03 is the fastest tempo and $6 is half the tempo of that. In an ideal situation $0C would be half the tempo of $03 and thus giving more tempo options.
2018-12-01 20:21
Linus

Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 614
Multispeed is your friend then ;)
2018-12-02 13:04
spider-j

Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 197
@TDM: Tempo is directly tied to the frames on C64. So 03 is 3 frames etc... So as Linus suggested, if you i.e. want to go "half a frame" you've got to choose 2X speed, meaning the routine is called twice per frame. Still tempo (if you think possible BPM) is limited on raster / frame based playroutines.
2018-12-03 10:32
Zirias

Registered: Jan 2014
Posts: 40
Quoting spider-j
@TDM: Tempo is directly tied to the frames on C64. So 03 is 3 frames etc...

That. And another option I use sometimes instead of going multi-speed is "funk tempo" or what it's called. Having the time of a pattern step alternate between e.g. 5 and 4 frames, you get an "effective tempo" of 4.5 (and just have the smallest-unit notes a little bit "too late", which often sounds quite nice).

BTT -- I prefer the original color scheme and about the dots: This is no doubt an improvement to the UI design, still I miss the original zeroes, just because -- you know, getting used to something is strong. But I think if GT UI would change this way, I would like it after a few days of using it :)
2018-12-05 13:04
TDM

Registered: Aug 2006
Posts: 10
Quote: Quoting spider-j
@TDM: Tempo is directly tied to the frames on C64. So 03 is 3 frames etc...

That. And another option I use sometimes instead of going multi-speed is "funk tempo" or what it's called. Having the time of a pattern step alternate between e.g. 5 and 4 frames, you get an "effective tempo" of 4.5 (and just have the smallest-unit notes a little bit "too late", which often sounds quite nice).

BTT -- I prefer the original color scheme and about the dots: This is no doubt an improvement to the UI design, still I miss the original zeroes, just because -- you know, getting used to something is strong. But I think if GT UI would change this way, I would like it after a few days of using it :)


Goat Tracker has funk tempo, us $E and point to speedtable. Agree about the color scheme, it's as bit hard to read.
2018-12-06 00:52
Wertstahl

Registered: Apr 2012
Posts: 37
I personally hand you a medal and a cigar if you manage to implement a graphical pattern sequence editor add on-screen controls to resize and change patterns as well as a more intuitive instrument library plus an arpeggio/filter section that is optically divided rather than being one big cluster of numbers. But hey... when did i last compose a SID with goattracker? 2017?
2018-12-07 16:20
Adam

Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 233
works nicely here. has anyone produced a version of goattracker for windows that supports MIDI keyboards? that would be wonderful :)
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