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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 422 |
to sid or 3sid
Has anyone done 3 sid versions of existing sid music? instead of one osc per voice, a full sid per voice. |
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JCH
Registered: Aug 2008
Posts: 193 |
Some time ago I thought about making a version of "Chordian" with the exact same sounds except real chords instead of arpeggio chords, using 2SID or 3SID.
Still not sure if it would be worth the trouble. |
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MagerValp
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1055 |
I'll be the judge of that!
Seriously though, it sounds awesome. |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1627 |
A player that I sometimes work a bit on allows multi channel sounds, but I am in no hurry to complete it. Apart from that I haven't seen anything like that. I think ppl sometimes make 2chn "detuned" sounds (jeff?), and that is reminiscent of this I guess. |
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bOOZElEE
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 34 |
Back in 1998 I made some Quattro-SID-Tunes (4SID). Those tunes can be found in deepsid's exotic folder. Look for the Tunes starting with "A-D_*":
https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/Exotic%20SID%20Tunes%20Coll..
My naming-scheme is "A.tunename" for first SID up to "D.tunename" for fourth tune.
(there are just three tunes, another two unfinished/early worktunes are lost forever due to disk corruption)
I had 4 SIDs in my C64 (250407), placed on a proper and neat (no flyin' wires) prototype-board built by my best friend Cyclone.
The setup was (in fact still is, beside two missing SIDs):
1. SID 6581R4AR, $D400 (left)
2. SID 6581R3, $D500 (right)
3. SID 6581R3, $D600 (left)
4. SID 6581R4AR, $D700 (right)
Only some time later we learned that this is not the ideal addressing as $D600-$D7FF is a reserved memory area on C128 and hence cannot be used. But as this was a prototype only, well, we could not care less... ;)
In fact we were not aware of any other C64 with 4SIDs. Were there any?
All tunes were pre-arranged on protracker on Amiga (but the more I think about it, the more confident I become it actually was fasttracker on pc due to 12 channels) and then transcribed to C64 into "my own" hacked version of DMC4. This version could handle two tunes: one for editing, live composing, etc. and the 2nd tune packed and relocated in memory. Both tunes could be switched, making it possible to edit both tunes in one session, albeit not simultaneously.
But it was at least possible to play both tunes simultaneously to check your current work.
For those 4SID tunes it was a bit different as I somehow felt like a juggler by loading/saving/editing/da capo al fine/ into my 2SID stereo-editor. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11108 |
many moons ago (1996ish) TePe lend me a C64 with 4 SIDs in it... it sat on my shelf for years, never did anything with it, then sent it back to him.
i am not very fond of "many SID" stuff myself - it only becomes boring generic synth music to me (like this 8sid stuff released some time ago). To me the whole charm of SID tunes is the limitations, the arpeggios, the "stuffed" bass+drums, etc pp. i havent heard many stereo tunes that i liked either for that matter :) |
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map
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 27 |
Back then around '97/'98 I also build a 4-SID C64-Prototype where Cosowi supplied the extra SID's. It was finally provided to Crossbow, who should create the Player/Editor for Cosowi. Not sure, but that prototype might be still on the shelf. Nevertheless it also had the memory layout with $d400,$d500,$d600,$d700, so far I remember.
Though I enjoy multiple SIDs music (eg. Raindropsies [2sid]) and it is simple to emulate more than one SID, the challenge stays on the real thing/stock C64.
Searching on https://deepsid.chordian.net/ for '3sid' gives just 21 entries, like 3SID_Tracker_Demo_3.sid from Hermit which might be one example of what the OP was asking for. |
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JCH
Registered: Aug 2008
Posts: 193 |
Quote: many moons ago (1996ish) TePe lend me a C64 with 4 SIDs in it... it sat on my shelf for years, never did anything with it, then sent it back to him.
i am not very fond of "many SID" stuff myself - it only becomes boring generic synth music to me (like this 8sid stuff released some time ago). To me the whole charm of SID tunes is the limitations, the arpeggios, the "stuffed" bass+drums, etc pp. i havent heard many stereo tunes that i liked either for that matter :)
Most of the time I agree with this. The charm of composing SID is to see how far you can get inside the confines of the three voices. After all, isn't that also the point of making demos on the C64 too, to see what awesomeness we can reach using its graphical limitations?
Sometimes I also feel the same about multispeed and digi.
That being said, I'm as curious as the next guy and might still fiddle with multiple SID at a later time. So yeah, double standards. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5017 |
given more time Bob Yannes could have fitted easily 6 or more voices on the SID, so why not try out what it could have been :) |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 422 |
There are of course many multisid combinations and tunes made for them. However, one can imagine using a full sid per one sound instead of maximizing the number of tracks one can get. So, just looking for improved sounds to existing single sid tunes. The sound routine could be much more like synthesizers have. Well, it sounds awesome in my mind at least. Perhaps one day. |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1627 |
@mixer: i'd be curious to hear, for sure. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11108 |
mixer: its pretty much what lman did in his 8-SID track, no? |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1378 |
Interestingly, the Ensoniq ESQ-1, (which was also designed by Yannes), has basically one SID for each of its eight voices, albeit with 32 different sampled waveshapes replacing the SID's noise/saw/triangle/modulated pulse, and a few extra envelopes as modulation sources. |
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MKC
Account closed
Registered: Oct 2008
Posts: 7 |
Here you will find a ZIP that includes BOM, Gerbers and instructions to build a SwinSID x8 and x16 for C64. Now we are only missing a x16 SID tune :-)
https://www.forum64.de/index.php?thread/91691-maximal-sinnvolle.. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11108 |
At this point you can just use your favourite SID-VST |
