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2020-06-05 15:41

Registered: Aug 2008
Posts: 182
SID Factory II

Laxity and I have decided to go BETA with SID Factory II to let all curious SID composers also have a go at this cross-platform SID editor.

We have a Facebook group that you are welcome to join. There's also a nifty user manual there. If you're not on Facebook, this thread should serve as another place where we can share questions, ideas, music, bugs, new builds, additional files, etc.

Please note that although SID Factory II is quite stable and more than capable of editing SID tunes at this point, it is still missing a few essential things such as e.g. sub tunes. We have a solid ToDo and will post new builds here as they become available.

The first official BETA build: SIDFactoryII_20200604.zip
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2020-08-12 16:21

Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 230
Quoting Jammer
That's really some Linux entitlement toxic shit.

If you open source your code of course you're entitled to chose whatever license you want. And if someone uses that code I would consider it the "normal" behaviour to respect that license. Wether it's on Linux, Windows or Amiga OS ;-)

And: the VICE project and it's components have a long sad "tradition" of code being used in other projects (even commercial ones) with many completely ignoring their license. I can understand that VICE coders are kind of frustrated by that.
2020-08-12 16:31

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 967
I know that Groepaz always reminds of GPL compliance but he's usually quite formal so I get it. Krill's stance, on the other hand, was imho a hit below the belt in any discussion. Blame it on the heat, I guess? :D

BTW, gotta give a new version another go. Maybe my impressions will change.
2020-08-12 16:35

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 9532
Well, he is right in the sense that "when it's cleaned up" usually means "never". It IS a bad excuse :)
2020-08-12 19:21

Registered: Nov 2005
Posts: 14
Thanks for pointing me out to the MacOS version of SF2. I will be trying it for the coming days. And of course, thanks for your work to anyone involved in this promising project.
2020-08-12 19:36

Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 450
Thanks. I hope it works for you. :)
2020-08-12 20:54

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 967
Quoting Groepaz
Well, he is right in the sense that "when it's cleaned up" usually means "never". It IS a bad excuse :)

Have some faith in humanity :D
2020-08-12 22:01

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 1521
Quoting Jammer
Krill's stance, on the other hand, was imho a hit below the belt in any discussion. Blame it on the heat, I guess? :D
Why "below the belt"? Not aware that i insulted anyone personally, nor did i intend to. And why the stance itself, not the delivery?

Heat or not, my opinion remains unchanged. :)
Good reasons have been mentioned by others.
2020-08-13 11:24

Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 450
The source code was made available yesterday morning.

Let me explain myself a bit as to why I didn't release the source code with the first release. As so many other things, it was based on a bad assumption, or disposition I should say. I wasn't expecting an uproar about it, because this is a niche application within a niche of our community. I was clearly wrong, as it seems several of you had strong feelings about this. My bad.

At this point I actually kind of regret having released anything before the editor was at a stage where internal data structures, code quality and capabilities are where I want them, but done is done.

One thing to speak in my favor, I hope, is that I've never done anything related to GPL and so have absolutely no experience with the procedures involved. I did get a bit emotional about the strong arming, sighing and prejudice about my intentions, but again, that's my mess and something I have to deal with.

So there it is.. The source is available, even if it's a mess in parts and has parts that are embarrassingly badly engineered. I got eager to get things working, and cut corners :) I feel a bit like I've put out my dirty underwear for show.

If any of you are having a look and find something that isn't quite up to par in terms of GPL, I'd appreciate any help that might fix it.
2020-08-13 12:52

Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1456
@Laxity: That last post of yours, plus actually releasing the source, was exactly the right thing to do I think. Cool! Looks like an interesting editor, and I also appreciate that you've made it cross-platform! If anyone thinks the orderliness and structure of the code doesn't live up to some kind of standard, that's their problem.
2020-08-13 13:17

Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 450
100% vanity. :)
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