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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2825 |
SID register editor
I am looking for something to play around with SID register values with immediate audible results.
Like set triangle here, ringmod there, tweak ADSR, toggle gate again, slide a frequency, etc.
Does something like that exist or do i need to roll my own? =) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11101 |
There was something like this in 64er magazine (iirc). Been looking for that for quite some time as well - it might be useful for testing :) |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2053 |
Krill, go code one for us :) |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2825 |
Not sure if i should, but if i will, it will probably be made in BASIC. Perfect language for that task! :) |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 422 |
May be too hack, but copy from screen to sid. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2053 |
prolly not gonna happen as we're all too lazy but fieserwolf's SidInspector V1.1 would be a great inspiration for an interface, perferabbly controllable with joy |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1627 |
While not exactly what you are asking for, defMON is kind of designed to give relatively simple access to SID registers in flexible ways. Changes to SID registers could be more or less immediately hearable, depending on how you do it.
Of course it has a learning curve, which could be estimated as "hard" (considering there is no real documentation) or "quite easy" (if someone would just show you). In the latter case, I'd say you would be up and running in just a few minutes.
If you want something simpler, I have a file called "adsr-oscilloscope.prg" on my computer that I don't remember who coded. If you PM your email I could send it to you. It is quite limited, but allows some simple sound tweaking.
You may also check Retroskoi |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1703 |
Quote: I am looking for something to play around with SID register values with immediate audible results.
Like set triangle here, ringmod there, tweak ADSR, toggle gate again, slide a frequency, etc.
Does something like that exist or do i need to roll my own? =)
There are quite a few released sound effects editors that do stuff like this. Search for "sfx editor" or "sound fx editor" and similar.
Is this for exploring how the SID works or actually making sounds for a production? |
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Isildur
Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 274 |
SFX Editor V3.2 |
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Trurl
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 59 |
While this isn't exactly what you're looking for it's pretty much related: RanSID. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2825 |
Quoting tlrIs this for exploring how the SID works or actually making sounds for a production? The latter: first and foremost for artistic purposes, finding good-sounding settings. Maybe need to add that it should control all 3 voices/all registers, the tool suggested by Isildur seems to be focused on single-voice action (at a first cursory glance). |
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Mr. SID
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 421 |
Since a lot of the cooler sounds are all about modulation, and simple LFOs aren't quite capable enough, you quickly end up in table land (especially for waveform switching, but also pulse trickery). So the best tools for the job are typically tracker-like tools.
Things might be different with a real hardware device exposing all SID parameters as knobs and CV inputs.
But assuming you want your parameters to be modulated by code, it's hard to beat tables. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2825 |
Can't afford much software modulation for my purposes (mostly frequency and gate switching about twice a frame), but i do have all 3 voices at my disposal.
So i'm investing into ringmod soundscape init-once update-never stuff and such mostly.
But finding nice enough settings is a chore without a dedicated interface. =) |
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AMB
Registered: Nov 2005
Posts: 15 |
I have always liked this one.
3001 : A Sound Odyssey |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1703 |
Quoting KrillCan't afford much software modulation for my purposes (mostly frequency and gate switching about twice a frame), but i do have all 3 voices at my disposal. If you are willing to add gate and freq switching you're already close to allowing a table approach. If execution time is scarce I'd suggest a table allowing changing a single register at a time with a countdown until next change.
That will allow you to do quite complex sound scapes. Once a frame should be enough for slowly evolving sounds.
If you can allow for two or more such tables, more or less infinite patterns could be made.Quoting KrillSo i'm investing into ringmod soundscape init-once update-never stuff and such mostly.
But finding nice enough settings is a chore without a dedicated interface. =) The Compactor/Linker V4/H sound. :) |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5017 |
sounds like new fx has no free cycle left for music :) |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2825 |
Quoting AMBI have always liked this one.
3001 : A Sound Odyssey Looks pretty neat! :) Screenshot seems close to what i had in mind. Will check it out! |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2825 |
Quoting tlrThe Compactor/Linker V4/H sound. :) That is just the kind of stuff i want to explore. I have used these things in the past (see +H4K and Zoompinski [512 bytes]), but the turnaround time for tweaking values in a source file is just too long. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2825 |
Quoting tlrsomething something tables I think i know what i'm doing, but thanks anyways. =) |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1703 |
Quoting KrillI think i know what i'm doing, but thanks anyways. =)
Quoting tlrsomething something single register
Yw. :) |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2825 |
Quoting tlrQuoting tlrsomething something single register Well, i'm using tables, but they only have note resolution. Playing a little melody on the ringmod soundscape. :) |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1703 |
Quoting KrillQuoting tlrsomething something single register Well, i'm using tables, but they only have note resolution. Playing a little melody on the ringmod soundscape. :)
Ah, sounds a bit more intricate than it originally appeared. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2825 |
Quoting Oswaldsounds like new fx has no free cycle left for music :) Well, no shit, Sherlock. =)
But it's not an effect per se. Still something pushing the envelope a little more, as you may deduct. To be released soon, i hope. :) |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5017 |
well I half of meant it jokingly, a bit suprised I hit it dead on, it will be cool to see what you've came up with :) |
