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goto80
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 138 |
timeline of SID achievements
I'm looking for a timeline of SID achievements. Does this exist? A list of important software (trackers and non-trackers, midi-sequencers and midi-slaves, sample-players and "drum machines", generatives, remix-tools, etc) and SID-tricks (playing digi-stuff, multispeed, hardrestart, etc). Who, where, when, how, why. I think a timeline over these things would be important to put together, if it doesn't already exist.
(I work on a timeline of chip music in general here: chipflip.wordpress.com/timeline. It is far from finished, of course. Suggestions are very welcome)
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1627 |
@Rambo: Dunno if that is what you meant, but I wasn't referring to "SID detection", but to the documentation of a difference between the chips. (But sid detection is relevant in itself too, of course.) |
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SIDWAVE
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238 |
I think 'documentation' for differences in 6581/8580 were made by Michael Schwendt, as he optimized SIDPLAY for both chips, around 1996-97. However, this documentation is written down nowhere in public.. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11110 |
i am pretty sure there existed documentation in some form long before 1996, atleast basic stuff like the new mixed waveforms and different filter characteristics, i remember reading about it in some mags etc. |
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goto80
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 138 |
@jeff: what do you mean with soft restart?
@tlr: oO0! thanks for that Musix81-link, great stuff. got anything more like that? : )
@frantic: yeah, emulation research has lead to increased SID-knowledge, and it's definitely interesting. but has it affected music software? |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1627 |
@goto: Well, at least I am making use of the just mentioned sid detection in my code. :) ...and I had a look in the c sources of "resid" a number of years ago in order to better understand the ADSR bug (assuming resid is somewhat accurate in its modeling of the sid), which has at least indirectly influenced decisions in coding for me.. Also, I've been using facts read on mr sids old homepage about waveforms and such in some unreleased piece of weird sid-code, and so on... Even though it may sometimes be hard to point to code which is "caused" directly by such research knowledge, it is definitely part of the stock of knowledge in the back of the head of sid coders today, I'd say... |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 422 |
Could add first 2 channel sid samples with variable play speed, either Netherworld by YIP or some MON tune perhaps?
Also Pollytracker by Aleksi Eeben deserves to be mentioned as a true 4 chan tracker in c-64. |
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SIDWAVE
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238 |
Quote: Could add first 2 channel sid samples with variable play speed, either Netherworld by YIP or some MON tune perhaps?
Also Pollytracker by Aleksi Eeben deserves to be mentioned as a true 4 chan tracker in c-64.
/MUSICIANS/B/Banana/IBM_Music_22.sid
first 2 chn samples, variable speed it sounds like too |
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Soren
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 547 |
@Goto80: Well, just like a hard restart gives a hard start of the sound, you can do a soft restart that makes the sound more sloppy from start...
a standard hard restart ADSR value could be FF00
a soft one could be FF06... simply play around with the ADSR of the restart.
:-) |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1289 |
Quote: @Goto80: Well, just like a hard restart gives a hard start of the sound, you can do a soft restart that makes the sound more sloppy from start...
a standard hard restart ADSR value could be FF00
a soft one could be FF06... simply play around with the ADSR of the restart.
:-)
jeffy, i owe you a little blow! i always used 0ff0. your setting seems to be better ;) and hard/soft hardrestart also works ;) |
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Soren
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 547 |
@Jammer: no worries :-) I noticed the soft restart thing in several Charles Deenen tunes, which might be a bit different, but it opened my eyes to the softer restarts atleast.
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