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2019-06-10 21:29
Logiker

Registered: Mar 2011
Posts: 10
Compo categories insufficient

Maybe I can explain best with a current example...

When we look at the Revision party there are for example following two categories:

"C64 Graphics" and "Mixed Graphics"

Within the party these categories were called:

"ASCII/ANSI/PETSCII" and "Oldschool Graphics"

I see several problems here:
- You don't know what the real compo category was called like
- You can't see that "C64 Graphics" stand for "PETSCII" (and others)
- You believe there are several entries missing, although it's not, because the other entries were from other systems (Which you would know if there was the correct name of the compo category)

There is also other examples like:
- BASIC 10Liner Contest 2019 (BASIC 10Liner Contest 2019) -> Here it's too hard to add the given categories
- Flashback 2019 Flashback 2019 -> Currently every gfx is put into "C64 Graphics", which was PETSCII at revision, so some users get confused (see comment at Flasheep).

That's my feedback so far. I hope it can help.

A similar entry already was entered some time ago: Compo descriptions
2019-06-10 21:41
hedning

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2264
<Post edited by hedning on 10/6-2019 22:21>

Moving all C64 Petscii to "Mixed" category, as mixed gfx and mixed textmode was separated at Flashback.

The rest of your concerns are recorded. I already asked to introduce C64 Petscii as a separate category, because that is fairly common.
2019-06-10 21:49
Logiker

Registered: Mar 2011
Posts: 10
A PETSCII Category helps indeed.

Nevertheless there are many cases where the categories just don't match the schema. Imagine if someone wants to count the seconds of music (see Compo descriptions) or if you count the lines of code (see BASIC 10Liner Contest 2019). These are just examples where many categories are missing.

Thanks so far!
2019-06-10 21:54
bugjam

Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 1675
What Logiker said.
2019-06-10 22:19
hedning

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2264
We will probably not add all PC scene categories though. But if we focus on how to deal with the C64 releases, we should be fine. Adding a "Mixed textmode" etc could help in some cases etc. It's not common, but seems to happen from time to time.

BASIC 10Liner Contest 2019 should only have one category, and as I see it C64 Basic Demo is enough, as everything handed in is some kind of demonstration of what people can do in 10 lines of Basic.
2019-06-10 22:29
Logiker

Registered: Mar 2011
Posts: 10
Sadly it's not enough to edit the predefined category list and patch it from time to time.

The BASIC 10 Liner Contest had 4 categories (PUR-80, PUR-120, EXTENDED-256 and WILD). And there was even a custom ranking. Usually no other event will have these categories.

In my mind you have a category type, that can be totally generic and that will often match 100 but sometimes just 90% or even only 50%. But you will need a custom category name, that can be set individually.
Otherwise some problems I mentioned in the first post wouldn't be solved.

Currently we have only category types, but not really the category names itself. It's just interpreted as category name. Mostly it worked... but not always, and not well enough.
2019-06-10 23:22
Mr.Ammo

Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 191
Quoting Logiker
The BASIC 10 Liner Contest [...].
This compo does not seem to have any significance for the commodore 64 scene. In my opinion it should have never been added as an event. There aren't even entries available for download on the linked web page and event page while the compo has been over since 1 April.
2019-06-10 23:27
Logiker

Registered: Mar 2011
Posts: 10
Quoting Mr Ammo
This compo does not seem to have any significance for the commodore 64 scene. In my opinion...


If you are not happy with this example, then take the Revision example or another one.
2019-06-10 23:38
Mr.Ammo

Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 191
Quoting Logiker
Quoting Mr Ammo
This compo does not seem to have any significance for the commodore 64 scene. In my opinion...
If you are not happy with this example, then take the Revision example or another one.
That's not my point.
2019-06-10 23:41
Logiker

Registered: Mar 2011
Posts: 10
Quoting Mr Ammo
That's not my point.

But the topic is about Compo categories not about specific events.
2019-06-11 03:39
Seven

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 188
Late to the party...

ptoing tried in 2016: Compo descriptions
I tried in 2017: Textmode Competition

Things on CSDb don't change.
 
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