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2005-07-06 19:05
Nightlord

Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 131
weighted average?

ok something i just noticed when i was voting for alih.

the guy has 6 9's and 3 8's and a 1 from a downvoter. his weighted average turns out to be 7.7.

now if we took the arithmetic average. it would be
(6 x 9) + (3 x 8) + 1 = 79 divided by 10 would be ~ 7.9

so the weighted average function was supposed to be able to recognize downvoting and perform better than arithmetic average. I say something is wrong.

not only the real average should have been somewhere in high 8's, but also the csdb function works even worse than the arithmetic average.

am i making a calculation mistake or something?
 
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2005-07-07 17:01
Nightlord

Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 131
there needs to be a present chart like it is supposed to be on diskmags. a chart where someone who has not released anything for a certain time should be left out of.
2005-07-07 20:14
Celtic
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Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 807
i think instead of 5 votes a production, person or group should get 10 votes to be entered in the charts. there are enough users nowadays, and someone with only 5 votes usually ends up at a place where they dont belong.
2005-07-08 06:52
Perff
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Posts: 1665
Quote: i think instead of 5 votes a production, person or group should get 10 votes to be entered in the charts. there are enough users nowadays, and someone with only 5 votes usually ends up at a place where they dont belong.

I though about something similar. This would make the charts a bit more realistic, but on the other hand a lot of entries will be removed from the charts. (The ones with 5-9 votes)
Anyone against the idea?
2005-07-08 07:29
Nightlord

Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 131
10 seems to be a good number.

perff. do you ever plan to make a chart where inactive people are dropped after a certain time?
2005-07-08 07:32
Perff
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Quoting nightlord
perff. do you ever plan to make a chart where inactive people are dropped after a certain time?

No, not really. I always though of the CSDb charts as a kind of all-time-chart.
2005-07-08 09:42
Hein

Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 933
It would be nice to add something like number of voters in the calculation.. Popularity is also important, the more votes, the popular the guy/girl..
2005-07-08 10:38
Perff
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Posts: 1665
Note taken. Actually there is some kind of this already. :)

If you take a look at the ratings, then those with a high number of votes match the arethmetic average of the votes (perhaps with some extreme fake votes removed first). If you then take a look at the entries with only a few votes, you might notice that their rating is less than the arethmetic average.
Now I'm talking in general terms. There might be a few entries where this is not completly accurate..
2005-07-08 19:35
Tch
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Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 512
Quote: 10 seems to be a good number.

perff. do you ever plan to make a chart where inactive people are dropped after a certain time?


Hmm,voting doesn´t seem popular.
Must admit that I am not a dedicated voter either.

Raising the bar to 10 votes might be pushing it.
Seeing "Tsunami" only recieving 42 votes,I think a lot of lesser productions will just slip into forgottenness..
It would be a shame.
The barrier of 5 votes seems hard enough to break.
It would be quite ridicilous to see a scene that has been around for over 20 years,be represented by lists with only 50 releases.
The same goes (especially) for scener-lists.
Take a look and see who will be missing.
It´s like creating a history that never happened.
2005-07-09 09:26
Zyron

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381
I second that.
2005-07-09 13:20
Perff
Administrator

Posts: 1665
As someone might have noticed I have (once again) altered the weighted average algoritm a tiny bit, so for instance MacGyver dosn't get a 10 as cracker.

For now we will leave it at 5 votes as it have been so far.

If you still think some of the ratings looks weird or are unfair then remember the following:
1. The charts here in CSDb are only for the fun of it. The main purpose of CSDb is still information = facts.
2. The more votes, the more accurate the ratings are, so VOTE! and get others to vote too. :)
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