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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1576 |
The voting system is completely retarded
I just can't wrap my head around this unmitigated, pure crap we use for voting. Here's a situation where I actually have to vote waaaay lower than it deserves, in order to increase a release's rating.
This is simply ridiculous.
"Hey, this release is really cool, I'll give it a tenner."
"WTF, the rating got lower?!? Ok, maybe it counts as an illicit upvote and it is filtered with some clever algorythm, let's go with 9 then."
"Damn, now it's way lower than it would be without my vote. Maybe an 8 will help?"
"Nah, this is getting worse, but let's see what happens if I vote with a 7."
"Shit, still no good, I'll jump to an ever lower number just for the sake of experiencing more of this shit."
"Oh great, now we're getting somewhere, one more try."
"YEY! I love this release, so it will get a 6 from me." |
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Mr.Ammo
Account closed
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 228 |
Number of votes per score based on 217 releases released in recent stand alone compo's (including the he-man and font compo).
Total number of votes: 3,490 of which 2,010 were anonymous and 1,480 were not.
Score Public Votes Anonymous Votes All Votes
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10 38.92% 27.51% 32.35%
9 27.64% 19.20% 22.78%
8 17.43% 23.28% 20.80%
7 8.45% 17.51% 13.67%
6 3.58% 6.92% 5.50%
5 1.42% 2.24% 1.89%
4 0.61% 0.90% 0.77%
3 0.68% 1.00% 0.86%
2 0.81% 0.55% 0.66%
1 0.47% 0.90% 0.72%
If you look at the data. Do you really think there's a problem with down voting? Or anonymous voting? Is it likely that public voters have a bias towards up voting or voting what is socially desired? |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 422 |
No algorithms. Just votes. No averages either, there is no average. No one voted average. It is just imaginary number and bad one when used in decision making. Once the number of votes is large enough the vote distribution starts making sense.
There will be downvoters and there will be popular voters and there will be authors disappointed by the votes. Grow up. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1576 |
Quoting Mr AmmoDo you really think there's a problem with down voting? On a technical level, not really. On a social scope, absolutely. It's toxic. It's more than obvious than an anonymous downvote is almost always an effortless, malevolent passive aggressive personal attack against another person (unless a very low vote is well earned). That could be legitimately upsetting for those who feel targeted.
I don't think we have a problem with honesty. We often criticize each other's work and apart from some extreme cases, the commentaries are usually constructive, and more or less perceived with appreciation or with neutral acceptance. No one here was ever ostracized just from having a more distinctive opinion than the majority. |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
How about banning downvoting by only allowing votes from let's say 8-10? But then 8 will of course be considered a downvote. Then only allow 10's. Everyone will feel good, regardless of their effort. |
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GH
Registered: Sep 2014
Posts: 77 |
Exactly, but make all votes public :D |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3034 |
As far as downvoting is concerned. I don't exposing all voters will miraculously make all downvotes disappear. And knowing, who downvoted doesn't make it much better (as mod I can see all votes). I have special place for my downvoters at the tip of my middlefinger but that's all I can do about it in cases when I don't even know who they are and where the hell they came from with their attitude. |
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Mr.Ammo
Account closed
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 228 |
Quoting GH/MSL/ToondichtersExactly, but make all votes public :D
All votes are already public. But the voters remain anonymous, like it should be. You seem to lean towards tyranny. |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2891 |
Linus posted this in the $11 music compo thread, just as fitting here ...
Quote:I vote anonymously because I just don't need even more drama in my life and I don't feel like having to discuss or even defend my taste. I can openly say I DO vote for my groups and groupmates, too, why wouldn't I?
As a staffer here I get to see all of the issues with CSDb and one of those issues, for some people, is the anon voting. It usually starts with a PM which reads along the lines of "Can you tell me who the asshole is that downvoted me on such and such release?" When I look at the mentioned vote, not to inform on the anon voter, but to simply see if someone is being an asshole ... routinely the vote in question is a 6. In what twisted world is a vote of 6 out of 10 a downvote?
Even tho the majority of us are 35+ years old there is still that little teenager hidden away with lots of people. Simply saying "Grow up" isn't going to change the fact that if the votes went public there would be a shitstorm of problems here and I'm betting the staff would have to ban at least 10-15 people. |
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GH
Registered: Sep 2014
Posts: 77 |
Last thing we want is a shitload of problems for the moderators...
Did people mention enough already you're doing a great job?
@Mr Ammo: "Tyranny" because of some C-64 release at the age of 40+? I don't think so :D |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 243 |
"1. Not allowing to comment on a release unless a vote is submitted (just like on Pouet), this would encourage voting."
this! |
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