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2018-04-05 06:48
Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 4345
Random topic closures

"Adam summed things up nicely and now another pointless thread about voting at CSDb comes to a close.

(read: Things aren't going to change)"

I am tired too about that topic, but just because *you* dont like it, its no reason to close it. This moderator function is abused way too much.
 
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2018-04-07 15:41
cadaver

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1076
What if the voting algorithm was replaced with a straight average? Would it result in throwing the charts in an unholy mess? :)
2018-04-07 16:12
hedning

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 1867
Quote: What if the voting algorithm was replaced with a straight average? Would it result in throwing the charts in an unholy mess? :)

That is something I guess only Perff can answer. :)
2018-04-08 12:48
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 8952
it should just show the median value, instead of first computing the median, and then try to "correct" the votes in some totally broken way :=)
2018-04-08 18:23
ChristopherJam

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 891
Nah, interquartile mean :)
2018-04-09 11:43
Rastah Bar

Registered: Oct 2012
Posts: 164
Maybe this should be a compo ;-)

Like this:
Everybody can propose an algorithm. Then an iterative method is used to decide the winner: the algorithm that ranks highest according to the current CSDB algorithm is used to evaluate all entries again. If a different algorithm then has the most points, the evaluation is repeated with that one, etc., until it converges. If it does not converge, I'm afraid we'll be stuck with the current algorithm.
2018-04-09 12:01
Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 4345
wat?
2018-04-09 12:49
Mr Ammo

Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 144
Quoting Color Bar
Maybe this should be a compo ;-)

Like this:
Everybody can propose an algorithm. Then an iterative method is used to decide the winner: the algorithm that ranks highest according to the current CSDB algorithm is used to evaluate all entries again. If a different algorithm then has the most points, the evaluation is repeated with that one, etc., until it converges. If it does not converge, I'm afraid we'll be stuck with the current algorithm.


Why not look at the data:

This is how the official results of the non-standard time signature music compo compares to the results based on all votes on CSDb. In the second table the result is based on the real mean and in third table the result is based on the the super duper secret weighted average that CSDb uses.
Official results:
=================

1. Monofail by LMan (9.08)
2. OdDnB by Jammer (9.00)
3. Slipper by Saul Cross (8.46)
4. Plarp by Mermaid (8.42)
5. AfD Kaputt Schlagen - TOT by Spider Jerusalem (8.17)
6. In Ruhe 1 Abseilen by Spider Jerusalem (7.67)
7. Gypsophila by Saul Cross (7.62)
8. Harder Times by Mibri (7.58)
(based on 13 voters using a google sheets vote sheet)


Results based on the avarage of all votes:
==========================================

Rank   Title / Entry              # Votes Real Mean
----   -------------              ------- ----------
1      Monofail                    33     9.67
2      OdDnB                       35     9.54
3      Slipper                      9     9.33
4      Plarp!                      16     9.00
5      AfD Kaputt Schlagen - TOT   14     9.00
6      Harder Times                10     8.90
7      In Ruhe 1 Abseilen           8     8.75
8      Gypsophila                  14     8.50


Results based on CSDb weighted average:
=======================================

Rank   Title / Entry              # Votes CSDb Mean
----   -------------              ------- ---------
1      Monofail                    33     9.70 
2      OdDnB                       35     9.60 
3      Slipper                      9     9.40 
4      AfD Kaputt Schlagen - TOT   14     9.10 
5      Plarp!                      16     9.00 
6      Gypsophila                  14     8.90 
7      Harder Times                10     8.80 
8      In Ruhe 1 Abseilen           8     8.70 

Seems like the 13 voters are representative for the average CSDb voter. Only rank 6, 7 and 8 seem to differ in order.
2018-04-09 13:41
Mibri

Registered: Feb 2018
Posts: 7
In light of the above results and statistics, I hereby propose that we change the system so that it displays the real mean...!

Seriously though, at the end of the day, I think reputation - while impossible to measure - is the most important thing rather than scores on individual releases; the most accomplished sceners will always be the best remembered and the most respected in general. People downvoting out of jealousy or tactics or whatever - surely this is just the ugly flipside of respect. I know I'm new-ish on here so my opinion might not carry very much weight, but I think we probably can just rise above this issue.
2018-04-09 17:29
TheRyk

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 550
Of course I have also witnessed quite funny CSDb algo results after casting a vote.

But although only little above a dozen people voted for PETSCII compo 2017, I found neither meaningful nor even scandalous divergence of final results from CSDb results. So if Mr Ammo's comparison of Nonstandard voting with CSDb proves anything, then probably that there is rather less reason for drama than some think.

PS: After the BCC#12 voting drama, I was glad we've got CSDb voting to show ranks in a more realistic light ;)
2019-01-02 09:00
Golara

Registered: Jan 2018
Posts: 123
I'll dig out this old thread to give me 2 cents. I think 1-10 scale doesn't make much sence here. I noticed that you rarely get votes below 6 (I don't think I ever got any). And 6-10 can be considered an upvote. If someone doesn't like your prod he's more likely to not vote at all, maybe leave a comment saying it sucks, but that's it. Just a thumbs up/down would work really well here I think.
As for anonymous votes. I think they should be allowed, but only accounts with 1-3 (Arbitrary number here) releases / credits can vote. To get an account here you need to write a reason for it so I doubt there's a lot of sock accounts that are just vote bombing, but I get that impression from reading these threads.
Also, I've seen the word harassment in these threads. It's hysterical. Bunch of old dudes whining about mean words.

If you think someone disrespects you or your work how about you tell them to fuck of ? I feel so weird here.
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