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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5017 |
Unban JSL 3
well I'd have liked to see what is the general opinion on JSL, also it would have been interesting to see how many want him back in here, I dont even know why he was banned , I was hoping to learn these things from the original thread. Guess noone thinks csdb is moderated by votes. |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 512 |
isn't forum RW for registered users, RO for the whole world? |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4586 |
Quote: isn't forum RW for registered users, RO for the whole world?
Yes. And I wonder why the entire world should be able to read these forums? |
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Shine
Registered: Jul 2012
Posts: 327 |
For me personally this case is more than closed.
Facts are:
1) JSL made mistakes.
2) The mod's decided via votes to ban him.
3) He got a permanent ban because of his mistakes.
4) The mod's are not gonna to unban him anymore.
Nothing to add! |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4586 |
Quote: For me personally this case is more than closed.
Facts are:
1) JSL made mistakes.
2) The mod's decided via votes to ban him.
3) He got a permanent ban because of his mistakes.
4) The mod's are not gonna to unban him anymore.
Nothing to add!
Then you need to read the thread again, dear Shine.
1 and 2 are correct. 3 and 4 are your own ideas. |
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Shine
Registered: Jul 2012
Posts: 327 |
"3) He got a permanent ban because of his mistakes.":
Quoting iAN CooG...Long story short: he verbally threatened people via comments and PM, vandalized entries and such things.
"4) The mod's are not gonna to unban him anymore.":
UnBan JSL?
Maybe you can enlighten me my own mistakes? |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4586 |
Quote: "3) He got a permanent ban because of his mistakes.":
Quoting iAN CooG...Long story short: he verbally threatened people via comments and PM, vandalized entries and such things.
"4) The mod's are not gonna to unban him anymore.":
UnBan JSL?
Maybe you can enlighten me my own mistakes?
Ok. Quoting myself: "There is no such thing as a lifelong ban. On the other hand, why let anyone in again without them showing any regrets or understanding why they were banned in the first place.? What we usually get is threats and querulant demands to get in again. I think you understand why that is not helping very much."
CSDb Shit. Does that look like a mature way of understanding your own shortcomings and the very reason you got banned?
And another thing: Why should we let anyone in again because other people want that? JSL has his own voice, and if he want to contact us, he has all the power to do that himself. We handle grown up (yeah, yeah) people here that could speak for themselves. |
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Carrion
Registered: Feb 2009
Posts: 317 |
Quote: Hey JSL, we are talking about you, as if you are a scientific project. This thread should be closed, imo.
totally agree.
but just adding my 2 €cents...
We love everyone, but if you are threatening a person(s)/scene - then - OUT!
He screwed really bad so no DB access allowed.
If he is still doing pixels to help in with his illness - good for him -and I guess someone could upload them here as ,like it or not, proper c64 scene productions.
all the best to you JSL!
now let's move along... |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4586 |
Quote: totally agree.
but just adding my 2 €cents...
We love everyone, but if you are threatening a person(s)/scene - then - OUT!
He screwed really bad so no DB access allowed.
If he is still doing pixels to help in with his illness - good for him -and I guess someone could upload them here as ,like it or not, proper c64 scene productions.
all the best to you JSL!
now let's move along...
+1 |
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Shine
Registered: Jul 2012
Posts: 327 |
Quoting hedningOk. Quoting myself: "There is no such thing as a lifelong ban. On the other hand, why let anyone in again without them showing any regrets or understanding why they were banned in the first place.? What we usually get is threats and querulant demands to get in again. I think you understand why that is not helping very much."
So that means a permanent ban is for an amount of time only? I can't follow your logic here a bit. You say that there is no "lifelong" ban, but then you doubt that an unban is possible without (deep) understanding, of his own mistakes. Hmm.
Quoting hedningCSDb Shit. Does that look like a mature way of understanding your own shortcomings and the very reason you got banned?
I can understand you... this is not a wise way to get unbanned. People who don't understand are not suited to let in again.
Quoting hedningAnd another thing: Why should we let anyone in again because other people want that? JSL has his own voice, and if he want to contact us, he has all the power to do that himself. We handle grown up (yeah, yeah) people here that could speak for themselves.
I simply asked in the very first thread to think about this permanent ban.
Special case: JSL's ban
General case: Permanent ban
My thoughts are simply as possible:
Is a temporary ban before a permanent ban not better in almost any cases? |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4586 |
Quote: Quoting hedningOk. Quoting myself: "There is no such thing as a lifelong ban. On the other hand, why let anyone in again without them showing any regrets or understanding why they were banned in the first place.? What we usually get is threats and querulant demands to get in again. I think you understand why that is not helping very much."
So that means a permanent ban is for an amount of time only? I can't follow your logic here a bit. You say that there is no "lifelong" ban, but then you doubt that an unban is possible without (deep) understanding, of his own mistakes. Hmm.
Quoting hedningCSDb Shit. Does that look like a mature way of understanding your own shortcomings and the very reason you got banned?
I can understand you... this is not a wise way to get unbanned. People who don't understand are not suited to let in again.
Quoting hedningAnd another thing: Why should we let anyone in again because other people want that? JSL has his own voice, and if he want to contact us, he has all the power to do that himself. We handle grown up (yeah, yeah) people here that could speak for themselves.
I simply asked in the very first thread to think about this permanent ban.
Special case: JSL's ban
General case: Permanent ban
My thoughts are simply as possible:
Is a temporary ban before a permanent ban not better in almost any cases?
<Post edited by hedning on 16/8-2019 21:35>
I just tried to state that we have had no single sign of a sincere try to rejoin csdb since his ban. And you begging is not relevant for the cause at all. So these threads are useless and irrelevant, really.
Example: Would you join the US forces to fight ISIS if enough people voted that you should, or would you like to join by your own free will? |
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