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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 11088 |
VICE new 8580 filters test build
https://sourceforge.net/projects/vice-emu/files/experimental%20..
this is supposed to fix the "farting filters" in the new revised 8580 filter code by leandro nini.
please check problematic tunes :) |
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algorithm
Registered: May 2002 Posts: 702 |
Tried it with a few sids that I noticed had issues with previous vice builds. Works very well now. Sounds just like my 8580 c64c.
This tune in particular sounded broken regardless of filter bias/cutoff used. but now works fine
https://hvsc.csdb.dk/MUSICIANS/B/Blues_Muz/Gallefoss_Glenn/Titl.. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 11088 |
Come on peoples! :) |
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Toggle
Registered: Jul 2003 Posts: 32 |
I need to do more testing but so far it sounds really great! Thanks a lot! |
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Colt45RPM
Registered: Feb 2019 Posts: 37 |
Working without issue on this end so far! :)
Tested with a few speech/digi titles as well. |
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002 Posts: 1987 |
Was the bug related to https://sourceforge.net/p/vice-emu/bugs/1013/?
Or which commit fixes the "farting"? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 11088 |
https://sourceforge.net/p/vice-emu/bugs/909/ and r37819 |
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Flotsam
Registered: Jan 2004 Posts: 80 |
Tested my own tunes with this version. Sounds right out-of-the-box - no need for fiddling with with filter parameters. Yay! \o/
Edit: Had a really close listen to En Chaleur , which has some heavy filter use + volume slides to mimic side-chaining and it sounds exactly as excepted, including the just barely audible crackling caused by changes to volume register. Time to get rid of the old versions of Vice for me. :) |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002 Posts: 3130 |
I need a win32 build for testing, can anybody make one? |
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002 Posts: 1987 |
Quote: https://sourceforge.net/p/vice-emu/bugs/909/ and r37819
That filter model is some highly impressive code. Kudos! |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 11088 |
I dont care about how impressive it is - does it sound right? =D |
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Stone
Registered: Oct 2006 Posts: 168 |
What Groepaz said |
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Dano
Registered: Jul 2004 Posts: 226 |
@Groepaz: When building from source myself is there any new config to set or so? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 11088 |
same as before, configure with --enable-new8580filter |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 11088 |
Spider, where are you? =) |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004 Posts: 1027 |
just compiled r37853 with --enable-new8580filter
sounds pretty good so far, but I am in no way an expert.
SYS64738 Days was problematic in vice some versions ago and sounds good now. |
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Dano
Registered: Jul 2004 Posts: 226 |
Yeah the new filters sound really good. Cannot complain about the sound quality.
Just one thing.. Vice is really really low on volume here on my build.
Spotify in the browser blasts my ears off as i have to crank the laptop all up to 100% volume. Even checked the mixer, it's all on 11.
Any way to make Vice play louder? It's really dim compared to other sounds here.. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 11088 |
that sounds like a problem on your end :) (tried resetting vice settings with -default?) |
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Dano
Registered: Jul 2004 Posts: 226 |
Nope "Restore to default settings" didn't make a change here.
Still the browser is way way louder..
Have to set the renderer to cairo due to my graphics card in the laptop, but that should make a difference?
Ftr the build you supplied is equally low on volume here.
Ftr2 C64debugger seems to be on the lower volume sid aswell.
Sidplay2.6w is way louder.
So yeah, i am open for ideas :) |
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psych
Registered: Aug 2004 Posts: 140 |
Quality of sound is improved comparing to the previous version, however, I still think 2.4 sounds better, at least to me. Nevertheless, hell of a job! |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 11088 |
"the previous version" has exactly the same filter code (and sound) as 2.4 :) |
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psych
Registered: Aug 2004 Posts: 140 |
So I have no clue why 2.4 sounds better to me :) Maybe this 25 years of sid masturbation slowely destroys my hearing :) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 11088 |
Quote:Maybe this 25 years of masturbation slowely destroys my hearing :)
fixed =D |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004 Posts: 443 |
Hey, thx @ Groepaz for the personal invitation :-)
I can confirm the current revision fixed that weird distortion glitch I got on my vice builds.
The tune in this demo had heavy problems before: You Will Be a Fossil Soon
New Filters Before:
https://jansalleine.com/trans/fossil-vice-new-filters.wav
New Filters Current:
https://jansalleine.com/trans/fossil-vice-new-filters-r37853.wav
Old Filters:
https://jansalleine.com/trans/fossil-vice-old-filters.wav
Unfortunately I still don't have a setup that allows recording from real machine for a "real" comparison. But it for sure doesn't sound anything like the completely distorted filters in the first WAV ;-) |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004 Posts: 1027 |
I think it's safe to conclude it's all Linus & GRG's fault. Without them, emulation would've been perfect for years already ;)
also playing that fossil intro now, and yup this sounds pretty good now, I also remember this one sounded fucked up in the past too. |
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psych
Registered: Aug 2004 Posts: 140 |
Quote: Quote:Maybe this 25 years of masturbation slowely destroys my hearing :)
fixed =D
Thanks. I thought it’s due to the heavy overload of loud sid listening ;) should stop wanking immediately ;)
I did few comparisons with real hardware recording done by Xiny6581 and I still think new version struggles with filters. Check Hang Drum - https://youtu.be/FMbT2EtJqY8 and then listen to it at Vice. There is slight difference. Vice 2.4 sounds exactly as on the real machine. Maybe it just me but you were asking for the feedback so I’ve shared my five cents. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 11088 |
Damn nice tune :=)
I can hear the problem with the regular filters (which are like 2.4), but not with the new ones. *shrug* |
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psych
Registered: Aug 2004 Posts: 140 |
Ok, I've been adjusting filter bias and by increasing the value up to -2200/-2400 it sounds better.
In case of this tune Bad Ass I went up to -1500 to achieve good result.
Thanks for your hard work guys. |