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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1031 |
timbalamer
this is so yesterdays news, but how the hell is it possible nobody cared to open a thread about this here?
everyone else did!
http://www.pelulamu.net/timbaland/
The Tempest track is here -> http://www.limpninja.com/acidjazz/tempest_acidjazz.mp3
The GRG C64 version is here -> http://www.c64.org/HVSC/VARIOUS/A-F/Blues_Muz/Gallefoss_Glenn/A..
The Furtado track is here -> http://www.limpninja.com/acidjazz/furtado_doit.mp3
You can also see a Youtube video comparing the tracks here -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4KX7SkDe4Q |
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 89 |
fade: I understand what you are saying here but I dont agree on one point; Its not "completley different". Ill try to "prove" it.
1) The "original" "Do it" (first verse) http://www.snoddas.nu/proof/doit_original.mp3
2) GRG c64 version. Pithed down a little to play in the same key as "Do it". Probably what Timbaland did aswell. (first verse) http://www.snoddas.nu/proof/Acid_Jazz_sid (bass+drums removed+pithed).mp3
3) Them both mixed together! http://www.snoddas.nu/proof/doit+acid_jazz_sid.mp3
This is not to just sample a beat or some sounds here and there. Its pure theft. Peace now? :-)
EDIT: I did NOT alter the bpm of the sid version just timestreched it to play in key. So the bmp was EXACT the same in both the cases. |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 933 |
Quote: Hein. I'm not a journalist. You can thank god for being wrong (again?), because if I was, I would take that as insult.. phew... ;-)
I dont have to thank God for my opinion, or what do you do when you feel insulted? |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3034 |
Quote: I dont have to thank God for my opinion, or what do you do when you feel insulted?
Depends on how much I love the one who insulted me. In you case I would love the person, I would probably start "whining", as Hollowman would say. In case of someone else I would probably turn to arrogant sarcastic bitch, but I must admit, that I'm arrogant sarcastic bitch most of the time anyway. ;-) |
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Ninja
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 404 |
What I really would like to know: Is there a "copy-protection" on Furtado's album? Can someone here enlighten me? It would be a too-good-to-be-true-joke :D |
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Laxity
Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 459 |
Quote: CreamD, I respect you as a person, but not as a journalist. :)
I'm not saying he shouldn't be compensated, am I? I drag the crackscene into this, because we're all part of it. We all played/cracked games. This will be mentioned if Timbalake is smart enough to find out. It is a shameless rip-off, then again, this is the world we live in.
Besides, speaking of credits, can't remember Tempest gave credit to the original painter of his Disco demo picture. (The girl in white dress).
At least Burglar doesn't care he's a hypocrit, coz we all are over here.
Does the fact that we at some point used or played cracked software mean that we renaunce all our legal rights?.. Even though Tempest is or was part of a scene which legacy somehow is in the cracking scene, that doesn't mean that his intellectual rights have been compromized in this case, if you ask me. That said, I don't see the discussion about GRG's involvement. Credits maybe - therefore maybe Gramex (or what ever equivalent there is in Norway). Maybe he would get a portion for arrangement, but then again he didn't rearrange the original tune in his C64 conversion.. I don't know.. I just think that the point about the cracking/scene - at some point using illegal software is way over the top in this case. I'm not sure how this would be looked upon in a court of law - I'm not a lawyer. :) |
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fade
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Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 290 |
Quote: fade: I understand what you are saying here but I dont agree on one point; Its not "completley different". Ill try to "prove" it.
1) The "original" "Do it" (first verse) http://www.snoddas.nu/proof/doit_original.mp3
2) GRG c64 version. Pithed down a little to play in the same key as "Do it". Probably what Timbaland did aswell. (first verse) http://www.snoddas.nu/proof/Acid_Jazz_sid (bass+drums removed+pithed).mp3
3) Them both mixed together! http://www.snoddas.nu/proof/doit+acid_jazz_sid.mp3
This is not to just sample a beat or some sounds here and there. Its pure theft. Peace now? :-)
EDIT: I did NOT alter the bpm of the sid version just timestreched it to play in key. So the bmp was EXACT the same in both the cases.
I don't think anyone understands what i am saying, my question was related to abusing copyrighted music in general, not the tempest/grg tune. Which is why i said "a copyrighted" as opposed to "creative commons licenced". I wanted an opinion and was going to lead onto some seriously debated issues such as resampling and the loss of copyright once resampled.
Which was why i sampled a well known mainstream tune.
I heard this Nelly Furtardo (who?) song today and i wouldnt want my name attached to it in any way shape or form.. |
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 89 |
fade: ok, then Im the Don Quixote. I totaly missunderstood you.... Sorry.... |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5017 |
rotfl:
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5017 |
btw:
http://www.downsteppers.de/index.php?id=43
and
http://pouet.net/topic.php?which=3716
:DDDDDDDDDDD
you should notice that actually this is really good for the c64 scene, we get a huge attention at these days. |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 933 |
Quote: Does the fact that we at some point used or played cracked software mean that we renaunce all our legal rights?.. Even though Tempest is or was part of a scene which legacy somehow is in the cracking scene, that doesn't mean that his intellectual rights have been compromized in this case, if you ask me. That said, I don't see the discussion about GRG's involvement. Credits maybe - therefore maybe Gramex (or what ever equivalent there is in Norway). Maybe he would get a portion for arrangement, but then again he didn't rearrange the original tune in his C64 conversion.. I don't know.. I just think that the point about the cracking/scene - at some point using illegal software is way over the top in this case. I'm not sure how this would be looked upon in a court of law - I'm not a lawyer. :)
Good point. Frankly I dont know either how this would be looked upon in court. That's why I'd think twice before sueing. A settlement of some kind might be more comfortable. You never know what money sharks Timbaland has ready at hand to get rid of this pestering 8bit guy. |
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