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ZZAP69
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 30 |
Best LCD TV-set for the C64?
Most people I've talked to, doesn't recommend a LCD TV as a C64 monitor, but my question is: which is the best one? I'm looking forward to a slick C64 setup with 1541U and a very portable monitor. :D
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Radiant
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 639 |
Sasq: Still, with all that, realtime is a no-go. :-( |
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Clarence
Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 119 |
@WVL: this is strange bcoz I tested a monitor like yours before buying mine, and both worked. On the downside the Neovo has a 25ms refresh rate (thus a bit blurry) and the c64 colors feels a bit strange (even after adjusting it a lot), but I got used to it. I'm not sure if it's still being produced.
Also... Hollowman/FLT has a working lcd tv configuration afaik, ask him for the type.
If an lcdtv/tft monitor has explicit PAL 50hz support on it's feature list then that's a very good sign, but as someone stated before me, you must try it to be really sure.
Also, I kept an eye on this promising c64-vga project: http://www.commodorescene.servebbs.org/vga.html
but it seems to be dead for some reason. :(
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Sasq
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 155 |
Yes it would be mostly for watching demos - but some of the features could of course be used realtime.
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hollowman
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 474 |
Quoting Clarence
Also... Hollowman/FLT has a working lcd tv configuration afaik, ask him for the type.
In 2004 I bought an Andersson Y1/02 15" TV and in 2006 an Andersson Y70HD 32" TV. Some googling says that they are probably made by a Turkish manufacturer and then sold under the Andersson name by netonnet.se
The good thing is that they are cheap and have plenty of different inputs and the ones I have work fine with c64. But they do lag a bit when watching 50Hz effects, so I can't recommend them fully. |
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macx
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 250 |
My external tv-card has worked good enough for me the past three years (not necessary to route via a pc) on my li´l 17", but I guess when going down to these anal bits on delays and stuff it is as sucky as anything else.
Hollow: is the picture flickering _at_all_ with those Andersson screens? |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1627 |
To repeat my question... ...but phrased slightly differently:
Wouldn't it be easier to make a mod for the c64 so it runs on 50hz than building all kinds of advanced converters to make 50.12 -> 50 artificially? I guess it might affect the frequences on the SID or something too, in that case, right? ...but that effect would be quite small anyway, and hardly noticeable, right?
//FTC |
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WVL
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 885 |
Quote: To repeat my question... ...but phrased slightly differently:
Wouldn't it be easier to make a mod for the c64 so it runs on 50hz than building all kinds of advanced converters to make 50.12 -> 50 artificially? I guess it might affect the frequences on the SID or something too, in that case, right? ...but that effect would be quite small anyway, and hardly noticeable, right?
//FTC
Probably, yeah. You'd only have to swap the crystal, i think. But I wonder if a crystal with that kind of frequency is available at all. Also, the sound will be off-key. |
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Nightlord
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 131 |
this topic is interesting and i have missed it all this time.
the idea of swapping the crystal to get exact 50 hz is interesting. what we put in its place does not have to be a "crystal", it can be a highly tuned separate oscillator circuit.
if the frequency difference (50.12/50) affects all frequencies generated by by SID linearly (i don't know if this is true. i am not even sure if SID uses the clock as a source to its audio oscillators, i doubt that it does) than the off-key-ness would be still quite smaller than a half step in chromatic scale (i.e the difference between c and c#). So my hunch is that, this should totally be doable. |
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Radiant
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 639 |
Slowing down the machine to get better compatibility with modern bad TV:s doesn't sound like a good idea... What about IO, wouldn't there be problems? I guess it could probably be done with some work, but it's not exactly a nice solution to begin with, making the machine slower...
Better just get a good TV set instead. I'm using a 29" 4:3 Sony Trinitron from 2004 both for watching TV, movies and as a C64 screen. Highly recommended, one of my best purchases ever. Crystal clear picture, while losing none of that analogue coziness.
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j0x
Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 215 |
I don't think slowing a PAL C64 down by 0.24% would lead to a lot of problems with loaders, since loaders "sync up" with the drive anyway. We're talking 1 cycle of "phasing" every 400 cycles. No guarantees, though ;)
radiantx, I have a similar TV set, and I was really disappointed with the picture. Even on a blank screen, each pixel stands out, like Vice's PAL emulation turned up to 11, so I'm back on my tiny 1701 monitor with its droning 50Hz hum coming through the speaker. I connected to the TV set using an S-video cable. How do you connect?
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