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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
The voting system is completely retarded
I just can't wrap my head around this unmitigated, pure crap we use for voting. Here's a situation where I actually have to vote waaaay lower than it deserves, in order to increase a release's rating.
This is simply ridiculous.
"Hey, this release is really cool, I'll give it a tenner."
"WTF, the rating got lower?!? Ok, maybe it counts as an illicit upvote and it is filtered with some clever algorythm, let's go with 9 then."
"Damn, now it's way lower than it would be without my vote. Maybe an 8 will help?"
"Nah, this is getting worse, but let's see what happens if I vote with a 7."
"Shit, still no good, I'll jump to an ever lower number just for the sake of experiencing more of this shit."
"Oh great, now we're getting somewhere, one more try."
"YEY! I love this release, so it will get a 6 from me." |
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Mr.Ammo
Account closed
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 228 |
You will probably also get an 8.7 when you vote a 2
I did a test a few days ago and these are my findings:
- when i vote a 5 it the total is 7.9
- when I vote a 4 the total is 8.4
- when I vote a 3 the total is 8.5
- when I vote a 2 it's 8.8.
- when I vote a 1 it goes down to 8.5.
- When I vote a 7 the result is also 8.4, just like when I vote a 4.
This release was my victim for testing: http://csdb.dk/votestatistics.php?type=release&id=163236 |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
The rating is 9 after a 2 vote. I can't fathom what's happening here. Even a random number generator would make more sense than this. |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3186 |
I'd ask my money back |
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lft
Registered: Jul 2007
Posts: 369 |
In all likelihood, somebody just forgot to clear the decimal flag. |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 447 |
Does this mean that the "anonymous down voter" is actually a hero? |
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HCL
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 727 |
rotflmao this voting system is pure weirdo. I'll remove all my votes and never vote again!!
Darn, i already did that years ago. How can i make a statement now? |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4720 |
I believe this id affected by how many votes there are in total. In Jailbirds example there are only 6 votes. I believe there is some kind of downvote/upvote shield involved. But what do I know? Let Perff explain again ( I think he did, many times). |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1335 |
I simply adore how Jailbabe gets back to this issue periodically xD I sense that voting system follows some permutative behavioural patterns redefining integrity of linear structure that governs the subatomic surrounding of float point values. |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 498 |
Don't wanna piss anybody off, but JB, you're one of the top graphicians in the C64 scene. Dat booze design group you're a member of got some kind of "legendary" status, - EOD will be for all the 100-500 people around the globe who actually care about C64 seen as a "masterpiece" at least for the next couple of years. Why the heck do you feel the need to discuss CSDb voting algorithms? I don't get it. You're a great artist and tbh almost everybody - if not literally everybody still involved in this scene is at least a very decent artist / coder / whatever. Even when someone does a crap-release everyone already knows: a yeah, it's xxx probably drunk, but we all know he / she / it can do better. And if he / she / it doesn't do better, it's probably due to some facts like job, girlfriend/wife/boyfriend/husband, child(ren). So what? OMG you could "downvote" an entry with 6 votes to 8.7 (!)... I hope, we're all old enough to deal with that ;-) |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Quoting HedningI believe this id affected by how many votes there are in total. In Jailbirds example there are only 6 votes. I believe there is some kind of downvote/upvote shield involved. But what do I know? Let Perff explain again ( I think he did, many times).
Yeah, he explained it, and basically this algorithm only works if there is a really huge number of votes on a certain product. Which is quite rare here, as only the most popular stuff get enough ratings to actually show an (more or less) equitable result.
@Jammah & Spider: I come back to this topic because I think that the current voting system is utterly broken and it repeatedly fucks up stuff here. So someone should either fix it or ditch it. It's controversial, it's often demotivating and it regularly upsets people - whilst it doesn't even works as intended, at all. And it's not just me who is noticing this, there are numerous of angry posts on the forum which are dealing with the negative aspects of the current system. And this is going on for years and years and years, literally from the beginning of CSDb. No one seems to care. There were some half-assed tries to fix it, but that was about it...
Spider, it's not about me. It doesn't affects my artistic integrity per se, really. I can't remember the last time was I "downvoted", and the ratings I get are absolutely fair, more often even unrealistically generous.
Anyhow, I like to vote (I stand relatively high on the most active voters list, and I was always hoping that people will start to vote more and we'll sooner or later get objective charts), I'd like to see some legitimate compos here and I'd be interested in much more reasonable charts... Still, if it was up to me, I'd toss out the whole of it because it's totally meaningless in its present state.
But indeed, this dispute is almost two decades old, and nothing has changed. And I'm sure nothing ever will. So yeah, I neither do know why I am wasting my time here. |
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