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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
The voting system is completely retarded
I just can't wrap my head around this unmitigated, pure crap we use for voting. Here's a situation where I actually have to vote waaaay lower than it deserves, in order to increase a release's rating.
This is simply ridiculous.
"Hey, this release is really cool, I'll give it a tenner."
"WTF, the rating got lower?!? Ok, maybe it counts as an illicit upvote and it is filtered with some clever algorythm, let's go with 9 then."
"Damn, now it's way lower than it would be without my vote. Maybe an 8 will help?"
"Nah, this is getting worse, but let's see what happens if I vote with a 7."
"Shit, still no good, I'll jump to an ever lower number just for the sake of experiencing more of this shit."
"Oh great, now we're getting somewhere, one more try."
"YEY! I love this release, so it will get a 6 from me." |
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Linus
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 639 |
Quote: Quoting קєคςє๓คкєгremove the anonymous voting and improve the system. cant be sooo difficult ;)
Please look at it this way: Non-anonymous voting encourages the average person to vote what is socially desirable / acceptable. People need to be given the freedom to vote whatever they want without the possibility of repercussions.
Dishonesty (also in voting) is almost always caused by a conflict of interest.
This!
To really solve the problem just vote more. |
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Joe
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 226 |
Vote more! |
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GH
Registered: Sep 2014
Posts: 77 |
People can vote up or down whatever they want, just not
anonymous IMH
But sure~ Courage The Cowardly Dog ;) |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Quote:To really solve the problem just vote more. The same exact thing was said when we started to encounter this issue. "Just vote more, it will get better"
Well, more than 15 years has passed, and nothing has changed, at all.
But yeah, maybe this problem will solve itself 30 years from now once we're all six feet under the ground so no one is left to complain. |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
Trying to solve the problem with downvoting by implementing some clever, secret algorithm probably creates more problems than it solves. Guess a better solution would be to make all votes public, so the downvoters were exposed. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
I neither do think that it would be a good idea to fully eliminate anonymous voting. I have personal experience when I was seriously threatened by someone who was very dissatisfied with a lower vote of mine. I couldn't care less, but I can imagine that it could be a really distressing experience for some, so they'd rather keep their votes anonymous in order to avoid these situations.
But how about:
1. Not allowing to comment on a release unless a vote is submitted (just like on Pouet), this would encourage voting.
2. Anonymous voters wouldn't be allowed to rate too high or too low values (this was suggested by TDJ years ago), this would eliminate anonymous up- and downvoting.
Not the perfect solutions, but they would definitely improve the system a bit. |
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Mr.Ammo
Account closed
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 228 |
Number of votes per score based on 217 releases released in recent stand alone compo's (including the he-man and font compo).
Total number of votes: 3,490 of which 2,010 were anonymous and 1,480 were not.
Score Public Votes Anonymous Votes All Votes
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10 38.92% 27.51% 32.35%
9 27.64% 19.20% 22.78%
8 17.43% 23.28% 20.80%
7 8.45% 17.51% 13.67%
6 3.58% 6.92% 5.50%
5 1.42% 2.24% 1.89%
4 0.61% 0.90% 0.77%
3 0.68% 1.00% 0.86%
2 0.81% 0.55% 0.66%
1 0.47% 0.90% 0.72%
If you look at the data. Do you really think there's a problem with down voting? Or anonymous voting? Is it likely that public voters have a bias towards up voting or voting what is socially desired? |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 447 |
No algorithms. Just votes. No averages either, there is no average. No one voted average. It is just imaginary number and bad one when used in decision making. Once the number of votes is large enough the vote distribution starts making sense.
There will be downvoters and there will be popular voters and there will be authors disappointed by the votes. Grow up. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Quoting Mr AmmoDo you really think there's a problem with down voting? On a technical level, not really. On a social scope, absolutely. It's toxic. It's more than obvious than an anonymous downvote is almost always an effortless, malevolent passive aggressive personal attack against another person (unless a very low vote is well earned). That could be legitimately upsetting for those who feel targeted.
I don't think we have a problem with honesty. We often criticize each other's work and apart from some extreme cases, the commentaries are usually constructive, and more or less perceived with appreciation or with neutral acceptance. No one here was ever ostracized just from having a more distinctive opinion than the majority. |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
How about banning downvoting by only allowing votes from let's say 8-10? But then 8 will of course be considered a downvote. Then only allow 10's. Everyone will feel good, regardless of their effort. |
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